[OccupyComms] [Occupy London] Re: I dont have time for this conversation

Thu Feb 23 14:38:43 GMT 2012

I feel this is a harsh response to a set of perfectly rational concerns. It
would be more helpful if you could say which working groups and who the
organiser is please. I do think that a lot of this discussion could be a
waste as we lost the appeal yesterday and eviction is coming. Planning any
further ahead than a few hours, for on-site activities at St Paul's, seems
unwise.

On 23 February 2012 14:33, Anthony Clinton
<anthony at silverback-group.co.uk>wrote:

> Tina, you need eduction before making assumptions.
>
> 1. I am part of three working groups
> 2. I am not the organiser of this event
> 3. I have no events or cabarets planned
>
> Please stop wasting my time with misinformation.
>
> Ant
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM, tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Forwarding the e-mail I just sent out at Occupy London's groupspaces.
>>
>> Anthony, also cc'd in this e-mail, is the only person who has come
>> forward as a possible point of contact/organiser for this event. He is not
>> part of any Occupy London working groups but has arranged cabarets at the
>> Bank of Ideas in the past and now at School of ideas.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Fwd: National Occupy Conference London
>> 24/02/2012
>> To: lsxcamp at gmail.com
>> Cc: Anthony Clinton <anthony at silverback-group.co.uk>, "
>> occupyworthing at hotmail.co.uk" <occupyworthing at hotmail.co.uk>,
>> occupylondon <OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com>
>>
>>
>> To repeat. Although the switch of venue for the national conference was
>> announced during last night's GA as a proposal, there is no record of it
>> having achieved consensus. In fact, it appears to have been announced as a
>> given, in between discussion group feedbacks (group 5 and 6):
>>
>> http://occupylsx.org/?p=3693
>>
>> Unless the minute-taker omitted to record consensus for this proposal by
>> the GA, this is not an Occupy London event.
>>
>> There is also no OL working group behind this event (so this can not go
>> out as an OL working group event) but it can still ride on the strength of
>> individual initiative.
>>
>> If Anthony is the organiser, can you please provide a phone number so
>> attendees can have a point of contact for any questions, e.g. where to
>> sleep.
>>
>> I also hope that, as has been the case with previous such conferences,
>> the organiser(s) can make arrangements for securing food for everyone three
>> times a day, printouts of the agenda, recordings and if possible any
>> agenda-relevant talks or workshops beyond entertainment.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> PS. In addition to the overlapping events scheduled for this weekend,
>> there are more that have been booked long in advance but are not visible on
>> the event calendar, e.g. real democracy w.g. teach-in 12:30-16:30 this
>> Saturday.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, David Scotland <
>> scotlandaware at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, lovely to meet you all.
>>>
>>> I also have a concern.  My concern is that last night in the vestibule
>>> of Saint Pauls after over 100 people rapturously applauded the
>>> strategic move to hold the national GA in London this weekend
>>> (following discussions at a national level and including a consensus
>>> agreement of occupy liverpool) after which a message was sent out
>>> nationally for delegates to book tickets.
>>>
>>> I am concerned that after having witnessed what I feel and many agree
>>> to be a deliberate strategy of disruption against the NGA, one of few
>>> we have left in a rapidly shrinking window we have to make a
>>> difference, that this conversation is even taking place at all.  My
>>> main concern is that I was exclusded from this conversation and that
>>> until now it has taken place without me, or any others I have been
>>> discussing arrangements with.
>>>
>>> If the National GA is disrupted it will ultimately be because of the
>>> confusion being caused because this conversation was started on a
>>> negative instead of a postive.  Im sure that this was just a mistake
>>> on behalf of these individuals.
>>>
>>>  I am concerned that after having spoken personally to over a hundred
>>> people seperate to the emergency meeting held at St Pauls who all
>>> think its a brilliant strategic move that a small group of people
>>> unrepresentative of the greater group have taken it onto themselves to
>>> backtalk a plan already in motion and being led by some who have never
>>> attended a national assembly are now actively working to sow doubt,
>>> disinformation and confusion against the plan which involves many of
>>> the key players in London and at national level.  I have now spent two
>>> hours trying to find and interject in this conversation, which i
>>> should have been included in from the outset.
>>>
>>> I would very much like to know how this small unrepresentative group
>>> have come to the conclusion that we are not ready to hold the GA in
>>> London when they havent spoken to any of the people involved in its
>>> organisation.  Which fyi is 100%  organised and is now only lacking
>>> delegates because of the delay caused by this conversation.
>>>
>>> The only reason there is a problem with holding the national GA in
>>> London this weekend is because a message of doubt and confusion has
>>> delayed the delegates from their decision and travel arrangements.
>>> Everything is in place for the national GA we just need people to come
>>> to London.  So stop messing about and book tickets.  Or dont. Its an
>>> individual choice.
>>>
>>> I say to those who doubt what is possible, even after we have
>>> consistently achieved the impossible to remember that if they believe
>>> something is impossible they should not interupt those who are making
>>> it happen.   With a bit of faith in ourselves we can achieve anything.
>>>  The trouble is that when groups go off in secret and expend energy
>>> and time in opposition to what others in plain site are orgainising in
>>> a positive creative direction that our efforts are simply cancelled
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Personally I dont care if you as individuals dont support the National
>>> GA being in London, with the exception of one of you,  ive never seen
>>> you at a national GA anyway.  If you dont want to come, dont come.
>>> Now instead of working creatively I am again tied up in the pattern of
>>> occupy infighting.  I am now wasting time fighting to undo the damage
>>> that my seemingly confused brothers and sisters have doneby acting
>>> like the beaurocrats we are opposed to.  I ask you to assist me in
>>> undoing the damage you have caused as it is you, who have given the
>>> victory to the establishment by these actions.
>>>
>>> I ask those on this email list to disregard all but this fact.  The
>>> fact is this. We are ready. Delegates are asked to report to the
>>> school of ideas. Everything is in place.
>>>
>>> The call to move the NGA to London is a strategic move, It is both a
>>> national show of strength and solidarity with occupy London and a
>>> Global statement made in one of the three city states that rule the
>>> world, that is currently causing misery for billions across the world.
>>>  A statement that will likely make Global media and will be loud and
>>> clear to the most powerful people in the world.  It is likely to be
>>> one of the last of few National Assemblies we have before the worlds
>>> matters are fully and irrevocably out  of our influence.
>>>
>>>  It doesnt matter if some cannot make the NGA ( a matter made somewhat
>>> worse because i was not included in this conversation from its outset
>>> and a further 24 hours has been lost to delegates to make travel
>>> arrangements) It does not matter if there is another NGA next week or
>>> two weeks or next month for that matter.  The fact is there is an
>>> opportunity to make a strong statement that we cannot be disrupted
>>> that is being undone by this politricking.
>>>
>>> I thought that was the point, Solidarity? If we actually agree and
>>> work in one direction instead of different directions we might
>>> actually achieve something with this movement.
>>>
>>> Therefor make a decision.  Shall we let the establisahment deal us a
>>> severe wound or shall we send a message to the whole planet that we
>>> are still here and we will not be moved.
>>>
>>> Im now delaying what i had planned to do in preparation, having wasted
>>> 3 hours already, Im now waiting for you to decide (and your not even
>>> planning to attend...lol)  in this time waiting for you to decide
>>> there are twenty people expecting this is happening and ready to do
>>> prep.
>>>
>>> By the way... intention was to hold next NGA in liverpool, the
>>> building is ready to go when they are but they will need some support
>>> to put in place.
>>>
>>
>>
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