[OccupyComms] [Occupy London] Re: I dont have time for this conversation

Thu Feb 23 14:46:40 GMT 2012

Don't mean to be harsh Tina but I really really don't have time for this
right now. Talk to school of ideas or Ronan for updates on where thing are
with this.

All the best Ant.
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Once again, Just to be clear. I am not organising this event.. Just
forwarding information from School of Ideas.

To the best of my knowledge the venue change had a national consensus
(don't know if any body was looking for consensus from st paul's camp - i
wasn't there.) and if the event goes ahead it will be Hosted by Occupy
Liverpool with help from school of ideas.

see details here.
https://occupywiki.org.uk/wiki/National_Occupy_Conference/2012-02_Liverpool

I would suggest that any attendees contact Occupy Liverpool directly or
School of Ideas on 07954227762.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Tina Louise <tinalouise at gmail.com> wrote:

> I feel this is a harsh response to a set of perfectly rational concerns.
> It would be more helpful if you could say which working groups and who the
> organiser is please. I do think that a lot of this discussion could be a
> waste as we lost the appeal yesterday and eviction is coming. Planning any
> further ahead than a few hours, for on-site activities at St Paul's, seems
> unwise.
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> On 23 February 2012 14:33, Anthony Clinton <anthony at silverback-group.co.uk
> > wrote:
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>> Tina, you need eduction before making assumptions.
>>
>> 1. I am part of three working groups
>> 2. I am not the organiser of this event
>> 3. I have no events or cabarets planned
>>
>> Please stop wasting my time with misinformation.
>>
>> Ant
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>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM, tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Forwarding the e-mail I just sent out at Occupy London's groupspaces.
>>>
>>> Anthony, also cc'd in this e-mail, is the only person who has come
>>> forward as a possible point of contact/organiser for this event. He is not
>>> part of any Occupy London working groups but has arranged cabarets at the
>>> Bank of Ideas in the past and now at School of ideas.
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Fwd: National Occupy Conference London
>>> 24/02/2012
>>> To: lsxcamp at gmail.com
>>> Cc: Anthony Clinton <anthony at silverback-group.co.uk>, "
>>> occupyworthing at hotmail.co.uk" <occupyworthing at hotmail.co.uk>,
>>> occupylondon <OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> To repeat. Although the switch of venue for the national conference was
>>> announced during last night's GA as a proposal, there is no record of it
>>> having achieved consensus. In fact, it appears to have been announced as a
>>> given, in between discussion group feedbacks (group 5 and 6):
>>>
>>> http://occupylsx.org/?p=3693
>>>
>>> Unless the minute-taker omitted to record consensus for this proposal by
>>> the GA, this is not an Occupy London event.
>>>
>>> There is also no OL working group behind this event (so this can not go
>>> out as an OL working group event) but it can still ride on the strength of
>>> individual initiative.
>>>
>>> If Anthony is the organiser, can you please provide a phone number so
>>> attendees can have a point of contact for any questions, e.g. where to
>>> sleep.
>>>
>>> I also hope that, as has been the case with previous such conferences,
>>> the organiser(s) can make arrangements for securing food for everyone three
>>> times a day, printouts of the agenda, recordings and if possible any
>>> agenda-relevant talks or workshops beyond entertainment.
>>>
>>> Tina
>>>
>>> PS. In addition to the overlapping events scheduled for this weekend,
>>> there are more that have been booked long in advance but are not visible on
>>> the event calendar, e.g. real democracy w.g. teach-in 12:30-16:30 this
>>> Saturday.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, David Scotland <
>>> scotlandaware at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, lovely to meet you all.
>>>>
>>>> I also have a concern.  My concern is that last night in the vestibule
>>>> of Saint Pauls after over 100 people rapturously applauded the
>>>> strategic move to hold the national GA in London this weekend
>>>> (following discussions at a national level and including a consensus
>>>> agreement of occupy liverpool) after which a message was sent out
>>>> nationally for delegates to book tickets.
>>>>
>>>> I am concerned that after having witnessed what I feel and many agree
>>>> to be a deliberate strategy of disruption against the NGA, one of few
>>>> we have left in a rapidly shrinking window we have to make a
>>>> difference, that this conversation is even taking place at all.  My
>>>> main concern is that I was exclusded from this conversation and that
>>>> until now it has taken place without me, or any others I have been
>>>> discussing arrangements with.
>>>>
>>>> If the National GA is disrupted it will ultimately be because of the
>>>> confusion being caused because this conversation was started on a
>>>> negative instead of a postive.  Im sure that this was just a mistake
>>>> on behalf of these individuals.
>>>>
>>>>  I am concerned that after having spoken personally to over a hundred
>>>> people seperate to the emergency meeting held at St Pauls who all
>>>> think its a brilliant strategic move that a small group of people
>>>> unrepresentative of the greater group have taken it onto themselves to
>>>> backtalk a plan already in motion and being led by some who have never
>>>> attended a national assembly are now actively working to sow doubt,
>>>> disinformation and confusion against the plan which involves many of
>>>> the key players in London and at national level.  I have now spent two
>>>> hours trying to find and interject in this conversation, which i
>>>> should have been included in from the outset.
>>>>
>>>> I would very much like to know how this small unrepresentative group
>>>> have come to the conclusion that we are not ready to hold the GA in
>>>> London when they havent spoken to any of the people involved in its
>>>> organisation.  Which fyi is 100%  organised and is now only lacking
>>>> delegates because of the delay caused by this conversation.
>>>>
>>>> The only reason there is a problem with holding the national GA in
>>>> London this weekend is because a message of doubt and confusion has
>>>> delayed the delegates from their decision and travel arrangements.
>>>> Everything is in place for the national GA we just need people to come
>>>> to London.  So stop messing about and book tickets.  Or dont. Its an
>>>> individual choice.
>>>>
>>>> I say to those who doubt what is possible, even after we have
>>>> consistently achieved the impossible to remember that if they believe
>>>> something is impossible they should not interupt those who are making
>>>> it happen.   With a bit of faith in ourselves we can achieve anything.
>>>>  The trouble is that when groups go off in secret and expend energy
>>>> and time in opposition to what others in plain site are orgainising in
>>>> a positive creative direction that our efforts are simply cancelled
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I dont care if you as individuals dont support the National
>>>> GA being in London, with the exception of one of you,  ive never seen
>>>> you at a national GA anyway.  If you dont want to come, dont come.
>>>> Now instead of working creatively I am again tied up in the pattern of
>>>> occupy infighting.  I am now wasting time fighting to undo the damage
>>>> that my seemingly confused brothers and sisters have doneby acting
>>>> like the beaurocrats we are opposed to.  I ask you to assist me in
>>>> undoing the damage you have caused as it is you, who have given the
>>>> victory to the establishment by these actions.
>>>>
>>>> I ask those on this email list to disregard all but this fact.  The
>>>> fact is this. We are ready. Delegates are asked to report to the
>>>> school of ideas. Everything is in place.
>>>>
>>>> The call to move the NGA to London is a strategic move, It is both a
>>>> national show of strength and solidarity with occupy London and a
>>>> Global statement made in one of the three city states that rule the
>>>> world, that is currently causing misery for billions across the world.
>>>>  A statement that will likely make Global media and will be loud and
>>>> clear to the most powerful people in the world.  It is likely to be
>>>> one of the last of few National Assemblies we have before the worlds
>>>> matters are fully and irrevocably out  of our influence.
>>>>
>>>>  It doesnt matter if some cannot make the NGA ( a matter made somewhat
>>>> worse because i was not included in this conversation from its outset
>>>> and a further 24 hours has been lost to delegates to make travel
>>>> arrangements) It does not matter if there is another NGA next week or
>>>> two weeks or next month for that matter.  The fact is there is an
>>>> opportunity to make a strong statement that we cannot be disrupted
>>>> that is being undone by this politricking.
>>>>
>>>> I thought that was the point, Solidarity? If we actually agree and
>>>> work in one direction instead of different directions we might
>>>> actually achieve something with this movement.
>>>>
>>>> Therefor make a decision.  Shall we let the establisahment deal us a
>>>> severe wound or shall we send a message to the whole planet that we
>>>> are still here and we will not be moved.
>>>>
>>>> Im now delaying what i had planned to do in preparation, having wasted
>>>> 3 hours already, Im now waiting for you to decide (and your not even
>>>> planning to attend...lol)  in this time waiting for you to decide
>>>> there are twenty people expecting this is happening and ready to do
>>>> prep.
>>>>
>>>> By the way... intention was to hold next NGA in liverpool, the
>>>> building is ready to go when they are but they will need some support
>>>> to put in place.
>>>>
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