[OccupyComms] I dont have time for this conversation

[Anthony Clinton]

Tina, you need eduction before making assumptions.

1. I am part of three working groups
2. I am not the organiser of this event
3. I have no events or cabarets planned

Please stop wasting my time with misinformation.

Ant

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM, tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>wrote:

> Forwarding the e-mail I just sent out at Occupy London's groupspaces.
>
> Anthony, also cc'd in this e-mail, is the only person who has come forward
> as a possible point of contact/organiser for this event. He is not part of
> any Occupy London working groups but has arranged cabarets at the Bank of
> Ideas in the past and now at School of ideas.
>
> Tina
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Fwd: National Occupy Conference London
> 24/02/2012
> To: lsxcamp at gmail.com
> Cc: Anthony Clinton <anthony at silverback-group.co.uk>, "
> occupyworthing at hotmail.co.uk" <occupyworthing at hotmail.co.uk>,
> occupylondon <OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com>
>
>
> To repeat. Although the switch of venue for the national conference was
> announced during last night's GA as a proposal, there is no record of it
> having achieved consensus. In fact, it appears to have been announced as a
> given, in between discussion group feedbacks (group 5 and 6):
>
> http://occupylsx.org/?p=3693
>
> Unless the minute-taker omitted to record consensus for this proposal by
> the GA, this is not an Occupy London event.
>
> There is also no OL working group behind this event (so this can not go
> out as an OL working group event) but it can still ride on the strength of
> individual initiative.
>
> If Anthony is the organiser, can you please provide a phone number so
> attendees can have a point of contact for any questions, e.g. where to
> sleep.
>
> I also hope that, as has been the case with previous such conferences, the
> organiser(s) can make arrangements for securing food for everyone three
> times a day, printouts of the agenda, recordings and if possible any
> agenda-relevant talks or workshops beyond entertainment.
>
> Tina
>
> PS. In addition to the overlapping events scheduled for this weekend,
> there are more that have been booked long in advance but are not visible on
> the event calendar, e.g. real democracy w.g. teach-in 12:30-16:30 this
> Saturday.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, David Scotland <
> scotlandaware at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello, lovely to meet you all.
>>
>> I also have a concern.  My concern is that last night in the vestibule
>> of Saint Pauls after over 100 people rapturously applauded the
>> strategic move to hold the national GA in London this weekend
>> (following discussions at a national level and including a consensus
>> agreement of occupy liverpool) after which a message was sent out
>> nationally for delegates to book tickets.
>>
>> I am concerned that after having witnessed what I feel and many agree
>> to be a deliberate strategy of disruption against the NGA, one of few
>> we have left in a rapidly shrinking window we have to make a
>> difference, that this conversation is even taking place at all.  My
>> main concern is that I was exclusded from this conversation and that
>> until now it has taken place without me, or any others I have been
>> discussing arrangements with.
>>
>> If the National GA is disrupted it will ultimately be because of the
>> confusion being caused because this conversation was started on a
>> negative instead of a postive.  Im sure that this was just a mistake
>> on behalf of these individuals.
>>
>>  I am concerned that after having spoken personally to over a hundred
>> people seperate to the emergency meeting held at St Pauls who all
>> think its a brilliant strategic move that a small group of people
>> unrepresentative of the greater group have taken it onto themselves to
>> backtalk a plan already in motion and being led by some who have never
>> attended a national assembly are now actively working to sow doubt,
>> disinformation and confusion against the plan which involves many of
>> the key players in London and at national level.  I have now spent two
>> hours trying to find and interject in this conversation, which i
>> should have been included in from the outset.
>>
>> I would very much like to know how this small unrepresentative group
>> have come to the conclusion that we are not ready to hold the GA in
>> London when they havent spoken to any of the people involved in its
>> organisation.  Which fyi is 100%  organised and is now only lacking
>> delegates because of the delay caused by this conversation.
>>
>> The only reason there is a problem with holding the national GA in
>> London this weekend is because a message of doubt and confusion has
>> delayed the delegates from their decision and travel arrangements.
>> Everything is in place for the national GA we just need people to come
>> to London.  So stop messing about and book tickets.  Or dont. Its an
>> individual choice.
>>
>> I say to those who doubt what is possible, even after we have
>> consistently achieved the impossible to remember that if they believe
>> something is impossible they should not interupt those who are making
>> it happen.   With a bit of faith in ourselves we can achieve anything.
>>  The trouble is that when groups go off in secret and expend energy
>> and time in opposition to what others in plain site are orgainising in
>> a positive creative direction that our efforts are simply cancelled
>> out.
>>
>> Personally I dont care if you as individuals dont support the National
>> GA being in London, with the exception of one of you,  ive never seen
>> you at a national GA anyway.  If you dont want to come, dont come.
>> Now instead of working creatively I am again tied up in the pattern of
>> occupy infighting.  I am now wasting time fighting to undo the damage
>> that my seemingly confused brothers and sisters have doneby acting
>> like the beaurocrats we are opposed to.  I ask you to assist me in
>> undoing the damage you have caused as it is you, who have given the
>> victory to the establishment by these actions.
>>
>> I ask those on this email list to disregard all but this fact.  The
>> fact is this. We are ready. Delegates are asked to report to the
>> school of ideas. Everything is in place.
>>
>> The call to move the NGA to London is a strategic move, It is both a
>> national show of strength and solidarity with occupy London and a
>> Global statement made in one of the three city states that rule the
>> world, that is currently causing misery for billions across the world.
>>  A statement that will likely make Global media and will be loud and
>> clear to the most powerful people in the world.  It is likely to be
>> one of the last of few National Assemblies we have before the worlds
>> matters are fully and irrevocably out  of our influence.
>>
>>  It doesnt matter if some cannot make the NGA ( a matter made somewhat
>> worse because i was not included in this conversation from its outset
>> and a further 24 hours has been lost to delegates to make travel
>> arrangements) It does not matter if there is another NGA next week or
>> two weeks or next month for that matter.  The fact is there is an
>> opportunity to make a strong statement that we cannot be disrupted
>> that is being undone by this politricking.
>>
>> I thought that was the point, Solidarity? If we actually agree and
>> work in one direction instead of different directions we might
>> actually achieve something with this movement.
>>
>> Therefor make a decision.  Shall we let the establisahment deal us a
>> severe wound or shall we send a message to the whole planet that we
>> are still here and we will not be moved.
>>
>> Im now delaying what i had planned to do in preparation, having wasted
>> 3 hours already, Im now waiting for you to decide (and your not even
>> planning to attend...lol)  in this time waiting for you to decide
>> there are twenty people expecting this is happening and ready to do
>> prep.
>>
>> By the way... intention was to hold next NGA in liverpool, the
>> building is ready to go when they are but they will need some support
>> to put in place.
>>
>
>


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