[OccupySheffield] [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

[Ragnhild Freng Dale]

Woo revolution =) but things need to be in place etc in terms of structure
before it happens. Can we do a meet/ga/working group about this ASAP? Like
- 7th of January (saturday?)

And happy new year very soon!

2011/12/31 Rocio Fatas <rociofatas at gmail.com>

> +1 Liz, the city is a new challenge
>
>
> 2011/12/31 Elizabeth Beech <liz.beech at virgin.net>
>
>> You're cantering along beautifully Em.  I'm literally about to leave for
>> St. Paul's and want to put in a twopennyworth.
>>
>> When David Harvey spoke at St. Paul's he emphasised the centrality of the
>> city, both as the place where most people live and as the place where the
>> power we are challenging resides.
>>
>> I hope we can speak more about this.
>>
>> Liz x
>>
>>
>> On 31 Dec 2011, at 16:05, Em Weirdigan wrote:
>>
>> A lot of this is happening already, we don't need to invent it all, we
>> 'just' need to link it all up and do lots more of it, with variations!
>> Yippee!
>>
>> Workers' and housing co-operatives; co-housing and eco-villages; food
>> growing and box-schemes; skill-shares and labour exchanges; reuse and
>> upcycling; squatting; alternative dwelling-places (tents, caravans, huts,
>> treehouses); truly ethical businesses only (that means ones which give
>> something to the community and put people and planet before profit);
>> community-controlled micro-renewable energy sources; sustainable forest
>> management...
>>
>> Some of this seems normal to some of us, we need to make it normal to the
>> whole 99%!
>>
>> Or, do tell me if I'm on the wrong track... I might just have jumped on
>> my favourite hobby horse and gallopped off on my own... ;)
>>
>> Em x
>>
>> ps Here's a few tiny examples that I've been involved with or know about;
>> there must be so many thousands if we all pooled what we know!
>> http://hebdenbridgetransitiontown.org.uk/
>> http://www.radicalroutes.org.uk/
>> http://www.lilac.coop/
>> http://www.lancastercohousing.org.uk/
>> http://www.weirdigans.co.uk
>> http://www.ledfantastic.co.uk
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM, J L <hemipemi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Yes yes yes!
>>>
>>> VERY interested and willing to look into the exact details and
>>> practicalities of this shift.
>>>
>>> I think a lot of it will come down to having a large enough network of
>>> occupations and facilities around the country available to maintain this
>>> off-system economy. Bike networks, resource management, (sourcing, sharing,
>>> distribution), free accomodation through Occupation sites and buildings,
>>> etc, and everything with a clear route towards becoming 100% off grid.
>>>
>>> Also jobs. If it's to work we need to completely reestablish what job
>>> positions are needed in a functioning alternative society. A long term
>>> gameplan could be necessary with the assumption that a lot of early jobs
>>> would be related to the establishment and creation of the system rather
>>> than it's continued operation and maintenance.
>>>
>>> We need to look very carefully at all the mistakes that have been made
>>> in small scale attempts that have been made of this. Occupation sites and
>>> public eco-villages (past and present) would all be a good point of
>>> reference). I freudean typed that last line as "Occupation sites ARE public
>>> eco-villages". That might be a good principle to employ ;)
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> To: olsx.indymedia at gmail.com
>>> From: elf at weirdigans.co.uk
>>> CC: marknbarrett at googlemail.com;
>>> LondonInternationalCommission at groupspaces.com;
>>> OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com; occupysheffield at email-lists.org
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>>> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:18:50 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>> YES!!!
>>>
>>> I've been trying to encourage people to do this for years... ;)
>>>
>>> ... many people will be fearful. But if those of us with courage and/or
>>> little to lose get on with it, perhaps we can create a nice big bouncy
>>> castle of alternatives for the fearful to jump onto...?
>>>
>>> Em x
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 12:27 PM, OLSX Indymedia <
>>> olsx.indymedia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> @George
>>>
>>> If you had a large-scale withdrawal of labour from the 1% means of
>>> production, those alternatives become realities. I don't have time to go
>>> into this in depth now, but the overriding point is that they are one and
>>> the same, not two separate factors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:25 AM, marknbarrett at googlemail.com <
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> you raise an important point George!
>>> Sent from phone
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: * "George Por" <george at community-intelligence.com>
>>> *Sender: * OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com
>>> *Date: *Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:51:46 +0000
>>> *To: *jamie kelsey-fry<lsxcamp at gmail.com>; <
>>> LondonInternationalCommission at groupspaces.com>
>>> *ReplyTo: * george at community-intelligence.com
>>> *Cc: *occupylondon at groupspaces.com<OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com>; <
>>> occupysheffield at email-lists.org>; <oh15 at googlegroups.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>>>
>>> Hmm... continuous strike? how will the 99% make a living without the
>>> alternative, non-exploitative modes of value-creation being in place?
>>>
>>> Call outs are easy; building an economic reality alternative to the
>>> dominant system is challenging! Yet what is challenging appeals me more
>>> than what is easy...
>>>
>>> george
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow
>>>
>>> I am with that Mayday call out 100%.
>>>
>>> "a continuous strike, a permanent
>>> withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel
>>> their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to
>>> alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to
>>> support themselves and their families"
>>>
>>> To me, this is the profound escalation that the movement needs.
>>> Brilliant.
>>>
>>> Between now and May, there is enough time to make this happen as long as
>>> it becomes the focus globally very soon. Definitely something for Sheffield?
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Mark Barrett <
>>> marknbarrett at googlemail.com <http://googlemail.com/>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>>> It is obvious we are headed for disaster unless we change course
>>> drastically, and we don't have a lot of time. A project is being
>>> discussed internationally in the Occupy movement - Global Strike May
>>> 2012. What we are proposing is a continuous strike, a permanent
>>> withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel
>>> their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to
>>> alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to
>>> support themselves and their families. In order to make this feasible
>>> this alternative system needs to be up and running by May 2012.
>>> Outrageous! Impossible! I agree with you. Nevertheless it has to
>>> happen if we are serious about moving from this morally bankrupt and
>>> physically damaging path we are on, to a sustainable system that puts
>>> people before profit. Join us on Take the Squares Network
>>> https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/1010883/15m-global-strike/ <
>>> https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/1010883/15m-global-strike/> . and please pass
>>> around to friends
>>> and colleagues.
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
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