[OccupyComms] [Occupy London] Friern Barnet Lbrary

Thu Oct 11 13:16:16 GMT 2012

Also may be the best way for us to engage with the manifesto writing idea
is to support the D2015 initiative as (a) they want to write a manifesto
based on genuine and democratic citizenship engagement processes and (b)
they would like to have Occupy advise them on how to do this.

By supporting them and using their focus on the whol system (ie that it is
no democratic) and on the election which always concentrates citizens'
political minds we can help them achieve their aims aswell as many of ours.

There is a report of D2015's recent attendance of a RDWG meeting on their
site at http://www.democracy2015.co.uk/ and also note the meeting planned
for Manchester, Birmingham and London Oct 15-16-17

Mark

On 11 October 2012 14:08, Elizabeth Beech <liz.beech at virgin.net> wrote:

> Hey !
> Let's have an argument !!
>
> No, let's not.
>
> Maybe it's as simple as :
>
> It's too early to set a goal.
>
> Let's explore.
>
> Let's listen to each other.
>
> If, over time, there is something we feel the need to write down and share
> - great , but   m a n i f e s t  o  is a very big undertaking 30 minutes
> into the germ of an idea.
>
> Liz
>
>
> On 11 Oct 2012, at 15:00, marknbarrett at googlemail.com wrote:
>
>  However, surely those that do wish to pursue the development of a
> manifesto between community groups should be encouraged to do so and to see
> where it leads rather than saying - due to people who don't like it as a
> tactic - no, that Occupy is not about that. Diversity of tactics, no ?
> Sent from phone
> ------------------------------
> *From: *marknbarrett at googlemail.com
> *Date: *Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:35:41 +0000
> *To: *Em Weirdigan<elf at weirdigans.co.uk>; <elfweirdigan at googlemail.com>
> *ReplyTo: *marknbarrett at googlemail.com
> *Cc: *<danashman84 at googlemail.com>; <madman8london at gmail.com>; <
> shurim at live.co.uk>; <occupylondon at groupspaces.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Occupy London] Friern Barnet Lbrary
>
> Fair enough! ;)
> Sent from phone
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Em Weirdigan <elf at weirdigans.co.uk>
> *Sender: *elfweirdigan at googlemail.com
> *Date: *Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:31:38 +0100
> *To: *<marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
> *Cc: *<danashman84 at googlemail.com>; <madman8london at gmail.com>; <
> shurim at live.co.uk>; <occupylondon at groupspaces.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Occupy London] Friern Barnet Lbrary
>
> But, this sounds like someone trying to push a project though - 'let's aim
> towards a manifesto!'
>
> Personally, I'm against the idea of a manifesto and I know there are
> others within Occupy who are even more strongly against the idea than I am,
> so by pushing for this you'd set up a conflict situation from the get-go...
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM, <marknbarrett at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Sounds sensible Em but I don't suppose it needs to be an either/or with
>> the manifesto idea. Debt is the all pervading, ongoing and increasing
>> problem, directly caused by the bankers and we all need to be released from
>> it. It is the common enemy of the people. My wife pronounces it 'death' ;)
>> Sent from phone
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Em Weirdigan" <elf at weirdigans.co.uk>
>> *Sender: *OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com
>> *Date: *Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:21:35 +0100
>> *To: *<danashman84 at googlemail.com>
>> *ReplyTo: *elf at weirdigans.co.uk
>> *Cc: *<madman8london at gmail.com>; <shurim at live.co.uk>; <
>> occupylondon at groupspaces.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Occupy London] Friern Barnet Lbrary
>>
>> My big thing at the moment is bringing together different groups, or
>> individuals from different groups, to learn from each other and work out
>> how to work together - or if not together, then in parallel, going in
>> roughly the same direction and communicating, so that we tend towards
>> helping each other out, rather than tripping each other up or pulling in
>> different directions.
>>
>> The library is a great start as it's already bringing together the local
>> community, anti-cuts activists, Occupy people and squatters.
>>
>> How about now inviting in people to give talks or workshops on co-ops,
>> anarchism, non-violent-direct-action, participatory democracy, economics,
>> energy issues, food security etc. (You could put a list of possibilities up
>> in the library and find out which subjects residents and visitors are keen
>> to find out about - the ones I've mentioned are just subjects that I find
>> interesting.) Make time and space after the talks/workshops for people
>> who've been inspired by what they've heard to socialise and start
>> collaborating - ask the people who give the talks/workshops to be prepared
>> to hang around after, not rush off, and to bring their friends.
>>
>> The really important thing with this is that rather than thinking - "oh,
>> that'll be a chance for me to expound my pet subject and get more people on
>> board with my project", we could try thinking - "oh, that'll be a chance
>> for me to learn something new and meet some interesting people and maybe we
>> can help each other out."
>>
>> I don't imagine this will lead to a manifesto or the reaching of any
>> tangible goal. Just more knowledge, more skills and more contacts for the
>> people who engage. Which will all be very useful in the gradual progress
>> towards our goals.
>>
>> Em x
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Daniel Ashman <
>> danashman84 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To Network with other community campaigns to culminate in a peoples
>>> manifesto/agreement. To be signed by the people of England.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Lorenzo Abadinas <
>>> madman8london at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 400,000 Commercial Buildings empty?
>>>>
>>>> I would say encourage more occupations of these empty buildings.
>>>> Especially public buildings.
>>>>
>>>> Yours Respectfully.
>>>> Obi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Activists & campaigners celebrated after a judge ruled a trial would
>>>> be required before deciding on whether to evict squatters from the North
>>>> London library that Barnet Council want to sell off.
>>>> *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUXLNNhR50Q&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11 October 2012 12:43, mark weaver <shurim at live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Hey folks
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a request for views and ideas.
>>>>> As you may or may not know the Friern Barnet Library has won another
>>>>> two months of safety from baliffs. This means a few things.
>>>>>
>>>>> The occupiers have a place to live
>>>>>
>>>>> The locals can carry on using the space
>>>>>
>>>>> We have more time to build alliances and strengthen the campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The questions to you are:
>>>>>
>>>>> What should Occupy's role be?
>>>>>
>>>>> What should our main goal be?
>>>>>
>>>>> How can we use our resources to make the most of this opportunity?
>>>>>
>>>>> and so on...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have thoughts or ideas they will be most appreciated. Visions
>>>>> and strategies at this stage will help guide what time remains to score
>>>>> worthwhile goals.
>>>>>
>>>>> CHEERS
>>>>>
>>>>> mk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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