[OccupyComms] I dont have time for this conversation

[Joe]

As I said before...  Really respect the positivity and desire to make
things happen. I don't think we should be saying that people have a
deliberate strategy of disruption just because they are debating pros and
cons of an issue/event. Share respect please everyone. There's an issue of
communication/decision making nationally here too, which we can work on after
efforts over the next few days.

If we can get more talking/workshoping/events going at the School of Ideas
this weekend that's great! I'll be showing solidarity to everyone at Occupy
London this weekend.

Also, to be fair, I don't remember seeing you at the last conference
either, David, but saw everyone else. You didn't see us managing the
Citadel? Was great!

Solidarity and kinetics!

Joe

p.s. I personally created the Liverpool conference wiki page, and have been
keeping it up to date. Liverpool's decision that they couldn't manage the
conference this time round was put up immediately. If St. Paul's then
decides in an emergency GA to call out for a National Conference at the
School of Ideas, that's fine. David added the latest info and I've built on
that too. That doesn't mean stating the Liverpool conference was off is
disinformation or confusion. It's the opposite! Now go do things!


On 23 February 2012 13:36, David Scotland <scotlandaware at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Hello, lovely to meet you all.
>
> I also have a concern.  My concern is that last night in the vestibule
> of Saint Pauls after over 100 people rapturously applauded the
> strategic move to hold the national GA in London this weekend
> (following discussions at a national level and including a consensus
> agreement of occupy liverpool) after which a message was sent out
> nationally for delegates to book tickets.
>
> I am concerned that after having witnessed what I feel and many agree
> to be a deliberate strategy of disruption against the NGA, one of few
> we have left in a rapidly shrinking window we have to make a
> difference, that this conversation is even taking place at all.  My
> main concern is that I was exclusded from this conversation and that
> until now it has taken place without me, or any others I have been
> discussing arrangements with.
>
> If the National GA is disrupted it will ultimately be because of the
> confusion being caused because this conversation was started on a
> negative instead of a postive.  Im sure that this was just a mistake
> on behalf of these individuals.
>
>  I am concerned that after having spoken personally to over a hundred
> people seperate to the emergency meeting held at St Pauls who all
> think its a brilliant strategic move that a small group of people
> unrepresentative of the greater group have taken it onto themselves to
> backtalk a plan already in motion and being led by some who have never
> attended a national assembly are now actively working to sow doubt,
> disinformation and confusion against the plan which involves many of
> the key players in London and at national level.  I have now spent two
> hours trying to find and interject in this conversation, which i
> should have been included in from the outset.
>
> I would very much like to know how this small unrepresentative group
> have come to the conclusion that we are not ready to hold the GA in
> London when they havent spoken to any of the people involved in its
> organisation.  Which fyi is 100%  organised and is now only lacking
> delegates because of the delay caused by this conversation.
>
> The only reason there is a problem with holding the national GA in
> London this weekend is because a message of doubt and confusion has
> delayed the delegates from their decision and travel arrangements.
> Everything is in place for the national GA we just need people to come
> to London.  So stop messing about and book tickets.  Or dont. Its an
> individual choice.
>
> I say to those who doubt what is possible, even after we have
> consistently achieved the impossible to remember that if they believe
> something is impossible they should not interupt those who are making
> it happen.   With a bit of faith in ourselves we can achieve anything.
>  The trouble is that when groups go off in secret and expend energy
> and time in opposition to what others in plain site are orgainising in
> a positive creative direction that our efforts are simply cancelled
> out.
>
> Personally I dont care if you as individuals dont support the National
> GA being in London, with the exception of one of you,  ive never seen
> you at a national GA anyway.  If you dont want to come, dont come.
> Now instead of working creatively I am again tied up in the pattern of
> occupy infighting.  I am now wasting time fighting to undo the damage
> that my seemingly confused brothers and sisters have doneby acting
> like the beaurocrats we are opposed to.  I ask you to assist me in
> undoing the damage you have caused as it is you, who have given the
> victory to the establishment by these actions.
>
> I ask those on this email list to disregard all but this fact.  The
> fact is this. We are ready. Delegates are asked to report to the
> school of ideas. Everything is in place.
>
> The call to move the NGA to London is a strategic move, It is both a
> national show of strength and solidarity with occupy London and a
> Global statement made in one of the three city states that rule the
> world, that is currently causing misery for billions across the world.
>  A statement that will likely make Global media and will be loud and
> clear to the most powerful people in the world.  It is likely to be
> one of the last of few National Assemblies we have before the worlds
> matters are fully and irrevocably out  of our influence.
>
>  It doesnt matter if some cannot make the NGA ( a matter made somewhat
> worse because i was not included in this conversation from its outset
> and a further 24 hours has been lost to delegates to make travel
> arrangements) It does not matter if there is another NGA next week or
> two weeks or next month for that matter.  The fact is there is an
> opportunity to make a strong statement that we cannot be disrupted
> that is being undone by this politricking.
>
> I thought that was the point, Solidarity? If we actually agree and
> work in one direction instead of different directions we might
> actually achieve something with this movement.
>
> Therefor make a decision.  Shall we let the establisahment deal us a
> severe wound or shall we send a message to the whole planet that we
> are still here and we will not be moved.
>
> Im now delaying what i had planned to do in preparation, having wasted
> 3 hours already, Im now waiting for you to decide (and your not even
> planning to attend...lol)  in this time waiting for you to decide
> there are twenty people expecting this is happening and ready to do
> prep.
>
> By the way... intention was to hold next NGA in liverpool, the
> building is ready to go when they are but they will need some support
> to put in place.
>
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