[999nhs-coordinators] RALLIES AND PUBLICITY

Thu Jul 24 08:04:18 GMT 2014

Hi Everyone,

just to hopefully put this insurance issue to bed for everyone.. :-)

Since we (hopefully) still live in a free country, we don't need insurance
at all to walk down a public road. We also don't need insurance to stand in
public spaces and hand out flyers or make speeches (which would be a rally)
We also don't need permission from anyone to either of those things.

The only issue is when we are on private property. That includes land/roads
on land that is owned by the Local Authority. They can, in theory, refuse
us access. So, the Insurance is about appeasing them and making sure also,
that if anyone was to get hurt or injured or run over, we would be able to
take care of them. We aren't a Union with its own insurance, or a big
organisation that has stuff like that as a matter of course. The buck would
stop with us mums. So, we have taken out insurance for that reason.

With rallies, the issue is that our insurance doesn't formally include
them. It will cover up to 500 people and no stage as Jo said. That doesn't
mean you necessarily need to take out your own insurance it just means that
if you have a stage and 20,000 people sow up (fingers crossed!!) that our
insurance wouldn't cover it.

*If you use stage hire or PA hire firms, they tend to have their own
insurance and will do their own risk assessments, *

so there's no issue there, if you just ask for a copy of it so you could
show it if questioned. I guess a park/band stand is Local authority owned
and so they can make demands if we want to use it, but otherwise.. bring on
the march!! :-)

Just wanted to say what a great job you are all doing, and that we are
really chuffed to have you all on board.

Thank you so much

Joanna Adams

Thank you.

Kind Regards,

Joanna Adams
Rehana Azam

*999 Call for the NHS*

*www.999callfornhs.org.uk <http://www.999callfornhs.org.uk>*

*@999callfornhs*

On 24 July 2014 07:51, Mike Simpkin <mike.simpkin at mixim.org.uk> wrote:

>  Thanks Joanne for your reply.
>
> Stuart is right to say that loads of people organise marches and demos
> without public liability insurance.. I've done that and I wouldn't normally
> have raised the issue at all.  However my query was generated by the
> Council demanding proof of PLI if we book the park and possibly bandstand
> we have chosen for the bank holiday arrival of the march.
>
> You've answered my query which is that we would probably have to do this
> separately particularly if we use the bandstand.  Fair enough. I've never
> done it before and wondered how do it most cheaply.
>
> I wouldn't have thought that anyone organising more general rallies
> particularly in town centres etc need be bothered.  After all, as the
> police said to me, this is hardly a march which is likely to generate
> public conflict.
>
> Mike Simpkin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Stewart Halforty <shalforty at gmail.com>
> *To:* 999 Co Ordinator conversation <999nhs-coordinators at email-lists.org>
> *Cc:* Rehana Azam <rehanaazam7 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [999nhs-coordinators] RALLIES AND PUBLICITY
>
> You need to be very careful about what you are saying to people about
> insurance. I have organised demos with over 100,000 people and have never
> been concerned about insurance liability.
>
> Yuu can't curtail people's democratic right too protest based on a clause
> in an insurance policy.
>
> You have essentially sent out an email setting limits on the numbers at
> these rallies which fundamentally undermines what we are trying to do. Can
> you think carefully about this before sending out such emails. I'm now
> extremely concerned.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> On 23 July 2014 23:01, Joanne Land <land.joanne at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> It is fine to have public addresses, leafleting, meet the marchers etc.
>> as long as the numbers of participants per day are less than 500. Best
>> thing is to not refer to it as a rally - could call it "Greet the Marchers"
>> or similar. Staging will not be insured. If there are likely to be more
>> than 500 participants in the leg/meetings per day, or you need to use
>> staging, then it will need to be insured seperately. It wasn't feasible to
>> cover the march and rallies with 500+ participants, as we would be
>> effectively asking to have 21 large rallies covered. So if you don't call
>> it a rally, don't use staging, and total participants number less than 500,
>> you should be good to go.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Jo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 21 July 2014, Mike Simpkin <mike.simpkin at mixim.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hello - please could you clarify about insurance cover for the rallies.
>>>
>>> Our rally, on August Bank Holiday, is currently planned to be at the end
>>> of the leg into Sheffield as a shortish open air event in a public park
>>> (weather permitting) and is intended as a welcome to the marchers rather
>>> than something which is happening separately.  We will also have one or two
>>> stops on our route out which will include pretty
>>> short mini-rallies consisting of local welcomes.  I would have thought
>>> these should count as integral parts of the march and therefore be covered
>>> by the main public liability insurance (we have to provide proof of
>>> insurance in order to use the park).  We obviously don't want to go to the
>>> expense of separate insurance unless it is absolutely necessary and if it
>>> is, it might in fact be cheaper to have a top up to the main march
>>> insurance rather than take something out separately.  What's the view from
>>> Darlington? and how are others dealing with this?
>>>
>>> Thanks   Mike Simpkin / Alistair Wardrope
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* 999 Call For NHS
>>> *To:* 999 Co Ordinator conversation
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:29 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [999nhs-coordinators] RALLIES AND PUBLICITY
>>>
>>> Hi Ann
>>>
>>> Rehana here and yes we can do this where needed providing we raise the
>>> money for mini bus hire but yes we can sort this out.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes
>>>
>>> 999 Call for NHS (#darlomums)
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 16 Jul 2014, at 12:20 pm, "anndonlan" <ann at donlan.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Emma -  a question first of all - we have been working on the basis
>>> that one / two of the marchers will be available to speak at the rallies
>>> and if the march is running behind the start of the rally they will be mini
>>> bussed up in time.  Is that the case?
>>>
>>> Ann
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <emma_tyers at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: <999nhs-coordinators at email-lists.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:05 PM
>>> Subject: [999nhs-coordinators] RALLIES AND PUBLICITY
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all - thanks to everyone for their hard work so far. We have 6 legs
>>> signed off (in green on The Spreadsheet) and I know many more will be
>>> signed off in the next few days. If we haven't been in touch with each
>>> other today, and you think your route is now fixed, let me know and we can
>>> discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>> Next up, we need to think about rallies and publicity.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not all locations will have a rally. We do need to know if you are
>>> planning one though, please take a look at filling in the Rallies tab on
>>> The Spreadsheet. Rehana and Jo will want to approve the speakers you line
>>> up. You all know the drill I am sure -  we have no particular political or
>>> organisational affiliation, so need to reflect that balance in our choice
>>> of speakers (labour, green, unions, healthcare campaigners, faith
>>> communities, celebs etc)
>>>
>>>
>>> On the publicity front, we want to start to personalise the website by
>>> having team members on there. So that marchers can contact you, please send
>>> the following to me at emma_tyers at yahoo.co.uk by Wednesday next week:
>>>
>>>
>>> Photo
>>>
>>> Name - however you'd prefer to be called on the site
>>>
>>> Email - I'd advise that you create a new email address and keep your
>>> real one for friends and family!
>>>
>>> Route - I know we have this in the spreadsheet but for some legs, we
>>> have handovers at county boundaries
>>>
>>>
>>> That's it for now. Keep up the good work!
>>>
>>>
>>> Emma
>>>
>>> Xx
>>>
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