<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Jazz Hands</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Leela</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "gareth50lane@googlemail.com" <gareth50lane@googlemail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> occupysheffield@email-lists.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 14:47<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OccupySheffieldPrivate] [OccupySheffield] OccupySheffield Digest, Vol 5, Issue 13<br> </font> </div> <br>I'm sure everyone has done what they thought was
best for the occupy movement. I think the problem is the form of democracy used at occupy. leaders naturally develop in any society the problem is how do we stop them from running away with the power. Accountability and democracy are the answer. I feel that the form of democracy used at occupy is unaccountable leaders develop and there is no way of holding them accountable for their actions. You cannot de-select them as leaders because you deny there is any leaders which there clearly is. I like sitting round in circle debating the hand signals are fine and useful but I strongly believe the need to recognise that leaders will develop in the field that they are most skilled in and how we ensure those leaders are accountable to everyone is the key question. <br>------------------<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:occupysheffield-request@email-lists.org"
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(Joe)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 14:08:18 +0000 (GMT)<br>From: Leela Simms <<a ymailto="mailto:leela.simms@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:leela.simms@yahoo.co.uk">leela.simms@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>To: Chris <<a ymailto="mailto:chrisc@indymedia.org.uk" href="mailto:chrisc@indymedia.org.uk">chrisc@indymedia.org.uk</a>>, "<a ymailto="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org" href="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org">occupysheffield@email-lists.org</a>"<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org" href="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org">occupysheffield@email-lists.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [OccupySheffield] [OccupySheffieldPrivate] public GAs<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:1328710098.14226.YahooMailNeo@web29706.mail.ird.yahoo.com"
href="mailto:1328710098.14226.YahooMailNeo@web29706.mail.ird.yahoo.com">1328710098.14226.YahooMailNeo@web29706.mail.ird.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hear, Hear? -? or is it?? Here, Here<br><br><br><br>________________________________<br> From: Chris <<a ymailto="mailto:chrisc@indymedia.org.uk" href="mailto:chrisc@indymedia.org.uk">chrisc@indymedia.org.uk</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org" href="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org">occupysheffield@email-lists.org</a> <br>Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 13:54<br>Subject: Re: [OccupySheffieldPrivate] [OccupySheffield] public GAs<br> <br>Hi<br><br>On Wed 08-Feb-2012 at 01:05:37PM -0000,<br><a ymailto="mailto:barriers2bridges@virginmedia.com" href="mailto:barriers2bridges@virginmedia.com">barriers2bridges@virginmedia.com</a> wrote:<br>> <br>> Power-craving people, who take it on themselves to make<br>> unilateral
decisions (SUCH AS NICOLE) i.e. making the<br>> decision to hand over the citadel to Circus without<br>> group consensus, are just perpetuating negative energy,<br>> 'LACK OF TRANSPARENCY' and self-serving clique elitism!<br><br>Please don't send personal attacks to this list.<br><br>All the best<br><br>Chris<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OccupySheffield mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:OccupySheffield@email-lists.org" href="mailto:OccupySheffield@email-lists.org">OccupySheffield@email-lists.org</a><br><a href="https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffield" target="_blank">https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffield</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>OccupySheffieldPrivate mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:OccupySheffieldPrivate@email-lists.org" href="mailto:OccupySheffieldPrivate@email-lists.org">OccupySheffieldPrivate@email-lists.org</a><br><a
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href="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org">occupysheffield@email-lists.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [OccupySheffield] public GAs<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:CAA5U2-9bVsozRUnbF6bNTtZi7A0kfskAR7HoOX4suhqjFviRSw@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:CAA5U2-9bVsozRUnbF6bNTtZi7A0kfskAR7HoOX4suhqjFviRSw@mail.gmail.com">CAA5U2-9bVsozRUnbF6bNTtZi7A0kfskAR7HoOX4suhqjFviRSw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Agree with Chris. Lots of factually incorrect information here. Please<br>discuss at a General Assembly.<br><br>Solidarity,<br><br>Joe<br><br>On 8 February 2012 13:54, Chris <<a ymailto="mailto:chrisc@indymedia.org.uk" href="mailto:chrisc@indymedia.org.uk">chrisc@indymedia.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Hi<br>><br>> On Wed 08-Feb-2012 at 01:05:37PM -0000,<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:barriers2bridges@virginmedia.com"
href="mailto:barriers2bridges@virginmedia.com">barriers2bridges@virginmedia.com</a> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Power-craving people, who take it on themselves to make<br>> > unilateral decisions (SUCH AS NICOLE) i.e. making the<br>> > decision to hand over the citadel to Circus without<br>> > group consensus, are just perpetuating negative energy,<br>> > 'LACK OF TRANSPARENCY' and self-serving clique elitism!<br>><br>> Please don't send personal attacks to this list.<br>><br>> All the best<br>><br>> Chris<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> OccupySheffield mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:OccupySheffield@email-lists.org" href="mailto:OccupySheffield@email-lists.org">OccupySheffield@email-lists.org</a><br>> <a href="https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffield"
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<E183FC98F19D4FD1B6E73F1F6126B322@ibbotsonPC><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Dawn,<br><br>I don't think that was called for - there may be differences of opinion within the group - thats what society is about - people do what they think is best for the group and to suggest otherwise is not helpful, not productive, and not needed. It needs discussing at GA if you believe there's an issue - personally I think that the tension of the situation facing Occupy on two fronts currently is beginning to show in people's reactions to stuff (mine included)<br><br>We need to be rational, re-realise we are on the same side and move forward.<br><br>Mick<br><br><a href="http://lookinluckout.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://lookinluckout.blogspot.com/</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a
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ymailto="mailto:7xJeco-18vy0AkZsEEjYb2hzpbuu9D37hcjkQ@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:7xJeco-18vy0AkZsEEjYb2hzpbuu9D37hcjkQ@mail.gmail.com">7xJeco-18vy0AkZsEEjYb2hzpbuu9D37hcjkQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>No way is it pointless! There was General Assembly consensus a couple of<br>weeks ago that the camp was stretched for resources at certain times of<br>day, and should be planning for eviction/moving forward, as the High Court<br>Case approaches. Just because the Cathedral is prepared to violently evict<br>a peaceful protest doesn't mean that's the end of the movement in<br>Sheffield. There will always be General Assemblies in public space even if<br>the tents are gone. The Citadel of Hope is a resource that Occupy are<br>likely to be able to share for a while yet, and new temporary occupations<br>could spring up at any moment on new sites, right?<br><br>I would have thought it was critical to get
Process and communication<br>running smoothly as we take on February.<br><br>The Citadel situation went through court last month. The owner has right of<br>possession from the 21st February, so can can legally take the building<br>from then if anyone was still there. This has been public knowledge since<br>the court day.<br><br>Snowy regards,<br><br>Joe<br><br>On 8 February 2012 13:57, Mick Ibbotson <<a ymailto="mailto:zapatista2010@googlemail.com" href="mailto:zapatista2010@googlemail.com">zapatista2010@googlemail.com</a>>wrote:<br><br>> **<br>> Joe,<br>><br>> Is this a bit pointless now the camp is leaving on saturday (radio<br>> sheffield)? Also its been suggested that Occupy have given the Citadel back<br>> - or are going to - elsewhere. Can someone actually confirm what is going<br>> on, as this whispers to the media is not helpful.<br>><br>> Mick<br>><br>> <a href="http://lookinluckout.blogspot.com/"
target="_blank">http://lookinluckout.blogspot.com/</a><br>><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> *From:* Joe <<a ymailto="mailto:joe@occupysheffield.org.uk" href="mailto:joe@occupysheffield.org.uk">joe@occupysheffield.org.uk</a>><br>> *To:* Occupy Sheffield <<a ymailto="mailto:info@occupysheffield.org.uk" href="mailto:info@occupysheffield.org.uk">info@occupysheffield.org.uk</a>> ; Occupy Sheffield<<a ymailto="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org" href="mailto:occupysheffield@email-lists.org">occupysheffield@email-lists.org</a>><br>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:05 AM<br>> *Subject:* [OccupySheffield] Occupy Sheffield - Process Working Group<br>> update<br>><br>><br>> Morning all,<br>><br>> The first Process Working Group meeting of 2012 happened yesterday at<br>> Occupy Sheffield. The Process group looks at communication and information<br>> sharing, and at how meetings operate
so that every voice can be heard, and<br>> so that all the important topics get discussed. It also looks at the role<br>> of facilitators in meetings, and how proposals by General Assemblies get<br>> acted on. If you're interested in this kind of thing, get in touch.<br>><br>> The Process section on the wiki has also been updated, and minutes from<br>> the meeting have been added:<br>><br>> <a href="https://occupywiki.org.uk/wiki/Sheffield/Process" target="_blank">https://occupywiki.org.uk/wiki/Sheffield/Process</a><br>><br>> Lots of discussion and a few good ideas too. The Working Group will be<br>> feeding back a bit at tonight's General Assembly from 6:30pm too.<br>><br>> New whiteboards have been added to the occupation camp and the Citadel of<br>> Hope. These can be used to record proposals and consensus decisions on a<br>> rolling basis, so if you miss a General Assembly or two you should be
able<br>> to walk in and find out what's been going on over the past few days. The<br>> whiteboards should also be used to record items for the next meeting's<br>> agenda: things that the group ran out of time for in a previous assembly,<br>> or new issues that Occupy Sheffield might discuss.<br>><br>> Onward!<br>><br>> Joe<br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> OccupySheffield mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:OccupySheffield@email-lists.org" href="mailto:OccupySheffield@email-lists.org">OccupySheffield@email-lists.org</a><br>> <a href="https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffield" target="_blank">https://www.email-lists.org/mailman/listinfo/occupysheffield</a><br>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a
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