[OccupySheffield] [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!

Mon Jan 2 00:08:43 GMT 2012

Heather and others, about your desire for more lobbying..

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From: Lobby OLSX <lobbyolsx at gmail.com>
Date: 30 December 2011 02:09
Subject: hey, link up any thoughts :)
To: crdlondon at gmail.com

hello,

I sent an email detailing direct democracy action for J10 in the form
of lobbying methods and building a general lobbying policy and
initiative in london.

the group is occupy london lobbying - I have set up a twitter acc and
FB pages but am looking for more support to run workshops for
democracy and assemblies that can be run on the theme of individual
effort in a collective consciousness.

Thanks, please email me for more info, be pleased to hear any thoughts. :)
Danny
On 2 January 2012 00:04, barriers2bridges at virginmedia.com <
barriers2bridges at virginmedia.com> wrote:

> I agree, but to be fare, the eco systems you describe are pretty few and
> far between, at least in the west and yeah, exist within a little utopia.
> Even within the UK they are pretty insular against a backdrop of
> capitalist domination.  For example, Hockerton Housing Project (which I
> read about for a paper I had to write for my course last year) exists
> because it gives people the choice to 'live green and adopt a
> kinder/gentler lifestyle - not because living off-grid is a necessity the
> way it might be in say South American countries.
> Yeah, I personally would like to visit there, as its somewhere near
> Nottingham and not too far from Sheffield - they do group and individual
> tours and talks.
> Also, it was the only one that provided the example that, they strived to
> be accessible for people with special needs - many of them just don't and a
> lot of people, join them, stay a few years and then move on if their
> romantic ideals of a greener nirvana haven't risen to their expectations -
> I've experienced it for myself; they also can be extremely uninvighting to
> "outsiders" especially if they think you pose a threat...
>
> The eco/sustainable communities we need to build upon, must be out of
> necessity, not out of some ideology that is seemingly out-of-reach to those
> not middle-class enough to be able to invest in shared land, for example.
> I also think Heeley farm are providing a good exsample of an urban-based
> set of sustainable practices, both addressing the environment and
> marginalised communities; they support community allotments - some within
> deprived areas, some particularly for under 5's, who might not get exposed
> to such a thing.
> Still, its far too small scale, just like the 'small scale' investment in
> say solar or wind power.
> Lets face it, the UK doesn't even support vehicles going over to veg fat
> or dung to replace gas or deasle.
> Its mad, but these are what we must be pushing any capitalist government
> to adopt and fast, rather than pandering to trans-national corporations,
> holding entire governments to ransom.  Why isn't anyone pushing the UK and
> European governments to snub the IMF?
> These are the things we've absolutely got to lobby, otherwise, the
> powers-that-be will just continue to turn their noses up to a bunch of
> people sleeping in tents in public spaces and not 'really doing much
> else'...!!!!
>
>  Dawn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: niel at squat.net [mailto:niel at squat.net] Sent: 01 January 2012 15:57
> To: LondonInternationalCommission@**groupspaces.com<LondonInternationalCommission at groupspaces.com>
> Cc: occupylondon at groupspaces.com; occupysheffield at email-lists.**org<occupysheffield at email-lists.org>
> Subject: Re: [OccupySheffield] [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares]
> MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>
> The alternative, non-exploitative modes of value-creation already exist
> George, I don't know in a big capitalist city like London but in north of
> Spain, south of France or north of Italy you can find a lot of autonomous
> communities, eco-industries, organic farms, alternatives currencies and
> bank of time, holistic cooperatives...
> And in south America, central America, India, in the pacific, we don't
> need to build an economic reality alternative to the dominant system from
> zero, the challenge as you said is to link this initiatives, at least to
> share the knowledge but also the resources if possible.
> I have a lot of friends who give up the fight because they already live in
> their utopia, they don't need to camp or fight everyday, they don't need
> us but we need them.
> A lot of people in 'Occupy' movement say that they are anti-capitalists
> but I don't see/listen/read them investigating about the post-capitalist
> projects/world... Protesting is easy, the challenge now is to be/live
> coherent with our fight.
>
>
>  you raise an important point George!
>> Sent from phone
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "George Por" <george at community-**intelligence.com<george at community-intelligence.com>
>> >
>> Sender: OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com
>> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:51:46
>> To: jamie kelsey-fry<lsxcamp at gmail.com>;
>> <LondonInternationalCommission**@groupspaces.com<LondonInternationalCommission at groupspaces.com>
>> >
>> Reply-To: george at community-intelligence.**com<george at community-intelligence.com>
>> Cc: occupylondon at groupspaces.com<O**ccupyLondon at groupspaces.com<OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com>
>> >;
>> <occupysheffield at email-lists.**org <occupysheffield at email-lists.org>>; <
>> oh15 at googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Re: [INT] Fwd: [Squares] MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>>
>> Hmm... continuous strike? how will the 99% make a living without the
>> alternative, non-exploitative modes of value-creation being in place?
>>
>> Call outs are easy; building an economic reality alternative to the
>> dominant
>> system is challenging! Yet what is challenging appeals me more than what
>> is
>> easy...
>>
>> george
>>
>>>
>>> Wow
>>>
>>> I am with that Mayday call out 100%.Â
>>> "a continuous strike, a permanent
>>> withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel
>>> their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to
>>> alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to
>>> support themselves and their families"
>>>
>>> To me, this is the profound escalation that the movement needs.
>>> Brilliant.
>>>
>>> Between now and May, there is enough time to make this happen as long as
>>> it
>>> becomes the focus globally very soon. Definitely something for
>>> Sheffield?
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> JamieÂ Â
>>>  On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Mark Barrett
>>> <marknbarrett at googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> MAYDAY! MAYDAY!
>>>> It is obvious we are headed for disaster unless we change course
>>>> drastically, and we don't have a lot of time. A project is being
>>>> discussed internationally in the Occupy movement - Global Strike May
>>>> 2012. What we are proposing is a continuous strike, a permanent
>>>> withdrawal from the current system, a signal for all those who feel
>>>> their work to be meaningless and unsatisfying, to switch to
>>>> alternative means which are beneficial to the whole community, to
>>>> support themselves and their families. In order to make this feasible
>>>> this alternative system needs to be up and running by May 2012.
>>>> Outrageous! Impossible! I agree with you. Nevertheless it has to
>>>> happen if we are serious about moving from this morally bankrupt and
>>>> physically damaging path we are on, to a sustainable system that puts
>>>> people before profit. Join us on Take the Squares Network
>>>> https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/**1010883/15m-global-strike/<https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/1010883/15m-global-strike/>
>>>> <https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/**1010883/15m-global-strike/<https://n-1.cc/pg/groups/1010883/15m-global-strike/>>
>>>> . and please
>>>> pass
>>>> around to friends
>>>> and colleagues.
>>>> ______________________________**________________
>>>>
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>>>> >
>>>>
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