[OccupySheffield] [OccupySheffieldPrivate] Fw: Citadel of Hope update (David Kirkham)

[Anna Harris]

> HI Jean, David, and all,
>

I hope you don't mind me replying to your emails. Though they are marked
private they are on a public forum, and they raise issues which concern us
all.

The consensus method of decision making, as I understand it, is not meant
to restrict individuals from acting in whatever way they wish, as long as
it does not harm anyone or anything. Consensus is a very useful tool for
making collective decisions where it is agreed that a collective decision
needs to be made. It is a good tool because it provides a way of ensuring
that everybody can have their say. Individuals and groups need to retain
their autonomy to act and make their own decisions. Consensus is not a way
of controlling people, it is not a law, it is a tool to be used when it
appears useful. Let us be careful in the way we use it that it does not
become a dictatorship of consensus. Individual autonomy is to be protected
as long as it does not cause harm to others. For me this is absolutely
fundamental.

I am sure there is much more that people might add to this discussion,
which would be useful.

Anna


> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:22:35 +0000
> From: David Kirkham <davidkirkham at live.co.uk>
> To: <jeanwildgoose at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Occupy General <occupysheffield at email-lists.org>
> Subject: Re: [OccupySheffield] [OccupySheffieldPrivate] Fw: Citadel of
>        Hope    update
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> Hi Jean Time and timing has obviously been of the essence with this
> occupation, taking advantage of the quietness around that area over the
> Christmas period to take the building; that quietness has also meant few
> people present, or available to be present, at camp and GAs too.   People
> are free to air their disagreements over the decisions taken with the new
> occupation over the public forums and via email if they wish. I agree that
> all decisions should ultimately be taken collectively at GA but I myself
> see no reason why they shouldn't be taken retrospectively given the above
> circumstances and rescinded if necessary.
> Thoughts?
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> David
>
> Occupy
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>  Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:55:46 +0000
> From: jeanwildgoose at yahoo.co.uk
> To: info at occupysheffield.org.uk
> Subject: [OccupySheffieldPrivate] Fw:  Citadel of Hope update
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> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: jean wildgoose <jeanwildgoose at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: Nicole Occupy <nicole_jewitt at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, 30 December 2011, 12:48
> Subject: Re: [OccupySheffieldPrivate] Citadel of Hope update
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> All of these decisions should have been made by OSGA at the camp - this
> way of working is not consensual or  directly democratic - who says who is
> crew and can enter the building? who says what policies are to be adopted -
> this way of working is incredibly authoritarian and divisive
> Jean
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>
> From: Nicole Occupy <nicole_jewitt at hotmail.com>
> To: Occupy Sheffield <info at occupysheffield.org.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2011, 23:47
> Subject: [OccupySheffieldPrivate] Citadel of Hope update
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> Work on health & safety/risk assessments at the Citadel of Hope is
> underway. We hope to be able to invite friends & guests once this is
> sorted.  In the meantime only crew / security can be permitted on site.  We
> are also adopting the same safer spaces and drink/drug free policy as on
> the camp.
>
> We have had visits today from Council, Police, Conservation Dept and the
> owner.  It's been a very eventful day to say the least!
>
> We have also had loads of help from  The Squatters Association and Occupy
> London who have even sent us a Bear who is with us and helping sort Health
> & Safety.
>
> Lots of work still to be done but things are looking promising for now.
>
> All the best!
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> Twitter Page: https://twitter.com/Citadel_Of_Hope
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> Facebook Page:
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Citadel-of-Hope/265723403482084
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