[OccupyComms] Important News for Liverpool GA

[symon at occupybirmingham.org.uk]

Hi All,
Hello friends..
The question for me is better reframed.  It is as was always the case
never going to be possible to meet as a group to review the
unfortunate circumstances surrounding the Liverpool camp.  In the
week leading up to conference Liverpool occupiers have faced numerous
challenges.  So..the presupposing we are all lovely good people for
the most of it why not just ask.  Does anyone see a problem or have
an objection to holding this months NGA in London. - With the
reflection in mind that LSX can facilitate it and in turn we can offer
solidarity.  We are a network of horizontally organised working
groups, lets all lead the way in making it happen.  The church is not
the building so to speak, so a mandate can be a very informal
understanding.  .
Hello friends..
Solidarity 
Symon

----- Original Message -----
From: "tina bakolitsa" 
To:"Nicole Occupy" 
Cc:, , , , , , , , , , "Chris Occupy" , , , , , , , , "Occupy
Sheffield" , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
, , , "Ronan Occupylsx" 
Sent:Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:32:50 +0000
Subject:Re: Important News for Liverpool GA

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From: TINA BAKOLITSA 
Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Fwd: National Occupy Conference London
24/02/2012
To: Vica 
Cc: "lizbeech at virgin.net [3]" , Tina Louise ,
"anthony at silverback-group.co.uk [6]" , Jamie kelsey-fry , occupylondon


Occupy London's outreach w.g. will be sending out a clarifying message
to all parties concerned later today.
While a single working group or occupation does not have the authority
to declare whether or not a national occupy assembly is taking place,
no member or group from Occupy London present at last month's
gathering in Sheffield volunteered or agreed to host such an assembly
this month. It was not agreed at the time, and it has not been agreed
since. 
The consensus in Sheffield was for Liverpool to host this meeting. As
such, if the meeting is not hosted in Liverpool, this goes against the
national consensus.
The misinformation presented on the wiki
(https://occupywiki.org.uk/wiki/National_Occupy_Conference/2012-02_Liverpool
[10]) about this last minute change of venue having received "huge
consensus" at an "emergency GA" will also be addressed. It was not an
emergency GA to start with, and there was no consensus. The minutes
are there to prove it. 
Whichever way one looks at this meeting, it has neither local (London)
nor national consensus.
Tina 
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Nicole Occupy  wrote:
  Occupy Liverpool have announced this on their Facebook page too..

Occupy Liverpool [12]

 Successful And Very Positive GA Tonight Everyone, It Really Was
Brilliant. Thank You To Liverpool Antifascists For Their Support And
Show Of Solidarity. The National General Assembly This Weekend Is Now
Being Held In London, And Liverpool Is Hosting Next Months NGA
Instead. Thank You To Everyone Who Showed Up To Today's GA, Are We All
Ready To Start Occupying Again?!?

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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:23:08 +0000
Subject: Re: Important News for Liverpool GA
From: lsxcamp at gmail.com [13]
 To: tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com [14]
CC: ch451 at exeter.ac.uk [15]; mikedolsx at gmail.com [16];
joe at occupysheffield.org.uk [17]; anneruth.strauss at googlemail.com [18];
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[21]; occupybristol at riseup.net [22]; chakanhislop at gmail.com [23];
chrisc at indymedia.org.uk [24]; kris.odonnell at gmail.com [25];
vorn_ at hotmail.com [26]; cristel at rapeaction.net [27];
scotlandaware at inbox.com [28]; martyncprice at gmail.com [29];
helen.magicwords at googlemail.com [30]; helen at occupyleeds.co.uk [31];
info at occupysheffield.org.uk [32]; heartwoodjack at gmail.com [33];
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lusterwings at gmail.com [36]; hemipemi at hotmail.com [37];
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kiki at allwomencount.net [40]; festival.kit at gmail.com [41];
lisa at womenagainstrape.net [42]; lissyadams at live.co.uk [43];
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msmsmslee at gmail.com [46]; mikeferrigan at blueyonder.co.uk [47];
mischievousape at gmail.com [48]; nic at oh-ay.org [49];
nina at allwomencount.net [50]; media at occupybrighton.co.uk [51];
admin at occupyliverpool.org [52]; occupycomms at email-lists.org [53];
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samuel.carlisle at gmail.com [56]; sarac at allwomencount.net [57];
symon at occupybirmingham.org.uk [58]; stuartplatt at hotmail.com [59];
symonbailey at yahoo.co.uk [60]; skenkley at gmail.com [61];
w_t_allan at yahoo.com [62]; tom at occupysheffield.org.uk [63];
marknbarrett at googlemail.com [64]; ronan.mcnern at gmail.com [65];
nicole_jewitt at hotmail.com [66] 

"I suggest the Outreach team sends out a statement saying that the Wg
does not recognize this as the national gathering. It will be up to
each individual to decide what to do." 
I second the statement from Tina strongly, as an active member of
Outreach. There was no huge consensus and already, active members in
school of ideas are expressing concerns.
Jamie

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM, tina bakolitsa  wrote:
 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: VICA 
Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Fwd: National Occupy Conference London
24/02/2012
 To: "liz.beech at virgin.net [69]" 
Cc: Tina Louise , "anthony at silverback-group.co.uk [72]" , tina
bakolitsa , Jamie kelsey-fry , occupylondon 

A national Gathering needs at least a week of organization, a
dedicated team organizing it before. A dedicated team running it
during the weekend.All the Occupy London occupiers are deeply involved
in the eviction and the outreach programs for the weekend. Including
School of ideas who is providing support for the eviction. A few
active members of the SOI have raised concerns, and have also said
that this was organized without a clear consultation with them.  
Please can it be clearly stated:1.Who is the team organizing the
gathering2. Their contact details3. What is the schedule for the
gathering4. How they plan to host and feed the people coming from the
rest of the country. 
This  information must be made public immediately.
If not, or if the information provided appears to have no consistency
with occupylondon WG activities,  I suggest the Outreach team sends
out a statement saying that the Wg does not recognize this as the
national gathering. It will be up to each individual to decide what to
do. and it should also state that If people want to come to show
solidarity they may....but we cannot in anyway support them on such a
crucial weekend.
Since the 15th of october the Outeach WG has been the main point of
contact and liaising WG for the National gathering. It is not about
leadership, it is about respecting the work of all those involved.
Working together, rather then in antagonism. so please, whoever is
planning the national gathering, please have great respect for the
comments of the active members of this WG.

Vica

On 23 Feb 2012, at 15:12, "Elizabeth Beech"  wrote:

PLEASE RELAY THIS INFORMATION TO ALL NETWORKS. THIS PROPOSAL WAS MET
WITH HUGE CONSENSUS AND A ROUSING CHEER IN THE VESTIBULE OF SAINT
PAULS AT THE EMERGENCY EVICTION GA ON 22/FEB/12. YOU WONT SPEND A
PENNY WHILE YOU ARE HERE ALL WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. JUST GET TO
LONDON.... I've just got this off
:  https://occupywiki.org.uk/wiki/National_Occupy_Conference/2012-02_Liverpool
[78] 
really - you won't spend a penny, will be taken care of  - what ?
 how ?
Liz

 On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Hudson, Carlus  wrote:
 As I understand it, a plan for the conference has been developed and
is ready to be actioned this weekend. We have the School of Ideas and
Finsbury Square as two spaces that can be used for the conference, and
we can work the meetings around anything that either site already has
planned. Most of the logistics are going to be sorted out by the
visiting delegates rather than putting stress on the people working
from Occupy London.

 Despite the evictions and the authorities clamping down on Occupy, if
we push ahead with the conference it'll be a major victory for the
movement Even in these difficult circumstances we fight on. Things
have been quite hectic in working out where the conference will take
place but provided there are lots of people from occupations around
the country in London that weekend, we have everything we need to hold
those meetings and have our conference.

 Carlus
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 From: Mike D [mikedolsx at gmail.com [80]]
 Sent: 23 February 2012 14:22
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 Cc: Joe; Anneruth Strauss; tina bakolitsa; Alma Segundo;
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 Subject: Re: Important News for Liverpool GA

 Also in total agreement Joe, big +1. I'd like to point out also that
other conferences get delayed/rescheduled quite routinely, especially
when they're dealing with current (or in our case, hyper-current)
events. I think all of us here in London feel a little tug on our
heartstrings from St. Paul's in light of what's going on, and our I
know personally I wouldn't be in the right headspace for the
conference even if all the logistics were cleanly worked out.

 -MD

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM, jamie kelsey-fry  wrote:
 I like your take on that Joe. I would definitely be up for a major
national conference down here soon, when people are able to organize
in advance. But agree that if some people are coming then the
assemblies will be all the better for it.

 Keep it lit

 jamie

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Joe  wrote:

 I can see both sides to this.

 Really respect the positivity and desire to make things happen.

 If the School of Ideas crew and occupiers think they can fit more
things in this weekend, (and existing events/speakers are cool with
it) and if people can be around this weekend to discuss the problems
of our time, propose future steps and work on active projects then go
for it!

 I guess be aware that lots of people would love to be at a UK
National Occupy Conference in London, just not this weekend at such
short notice.
 We should be aware of how we "call" these national conferences too. A
location is suggested by anyone; that occupation then passes the idea
through their General Assembly. If people there want to do it, we
should ask the other UK occupations what they think of the proposal.
It's a national call out. Get a national temperature check.

In this weekend's case I think people will come to London, but not as
many as we might have had if we could prepare more. If people at the
School of Ideas want to hold assemblies discussing agenda points from
the working agenda pad then that's great! Go Occupy 2.0! Calling it a
UK National Conference might be a bit of a stretch though, depending
on who else can make it. Maybe other occupations around the UK who
can't make it down can still discuss a national agenda this weekend at
their assemblies too.

 Unstoppable solidarity,

 Joe

 On 23 February 2012 09:53, jamie kelsey-fry  wrote:
 PS Since Tina wrote this, the appeals have been turned down. So, a
major eviction of St Paul's expected at any time followed by a 'deep
cleanse'.  And there are several events at School Of Ideas already
booked.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:48 AM, jamie kelsey-fry  wrote:
 I agree with Tina on this. There are several events booked at school
of ideas and little time to make preparations to provide for delegates
and to provide a cohesive agenda for a national conference.

 J

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Anneruth Strauss  wrote:
 Hi folks!
 dont know whether this is relevant:
 but here is an all weekend event in Edinburgh that is hanging in
midair right now
 a training workshop in Compassionate Communication
 as some people had to pull out
 we need to know tonight whether there are at least 4 more takers to
give the go-ahead to tutor tonight.

 It is a unique opportunity, and is not dependant on how much (if any)
money you can contribute to your participating, but is only dependant
on your heart saying yes to going on a journey for this with other
fellow activists.

 This training course is part of the action outcome of the group that
met on Bute beginning of January, and who had consensus that
compassionate communication capacities are key to system change
success for Occupy local and global... and it was decided to give
activists training opportunity in NVC as a much appraised form of
peace and power-with tool , creating the enabling conditions for win
win situations.

 Course has become part of wider wee project linking also in with love
economy practises.

 let  me know quickly if you would be free to consider participation,
please ;-)

 You can also view the wider project website (inspiring work n
progress !) here:
http://occupycompassionatecommunication.weebly.com/index.html [93]

 xx
 Anneruth (Ruth)

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:12 PM, tina bakolitsa  wrote:
 PS. Please also note this weekend's schedule for School of Ideas.

http://schoolofideas.org.uk/events/ [96]

 Again, speakers and events have been booked far in advance and would
not be easy to reschedule.

 Tina

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:56 PM, tina bakolitsa  wrote:
 To all those making statements about St Paul's hosting the national
occupy meeting this weekend:

 Please be aware that

 (a) following this morning's appeal dismissals we may not have access
to the site (there are rumours circulating it may be cordoned off for
"deep cleaning") and

 (b) if it is available, there are other events that take precedence
over the national occupy meeting, as they have been booked earlier.

 One such example is a panel discussion to be held by various
academics on the subject of Greece and the second bailout.

 I have started receiving e-mails from other occupations regarding the
status of this month's national assembly. I don't know how many people
have already either bought tickets to travel to Liverpool or are
contemplating traveling to London, how many have spent time and energy
thinking about the agenda etc.

 What I would like to request is that in the future, more
responsibility is shown and consideration given towards everyone's
time and resources by the people volunteering to hold and organise
these meetings.

 Tina

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Alma Segundo  wrote:
 OK! Occupy Liverpool has decided they won't hold the national
conference this weekend and that it should be moved to London, School
of Ideas.
 Some people in London think it is too soon to prepare in 2 days, some
others think it might be pulled...
 So?

On 22 February 2012 18:57, o.sahal at gmail.com [101]  wrote:
 You got the message right St Paul should have NGA

 Sent from my HTC

 ----- Reply message -----
From: "Alma Segundo" 
 To: "o.sahal at gmail.com [107]" 
 Subject: Important News for Liverpool GA
 Date: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:59 pm

 Great idea!
 Greg's number: 07932762587

On 22 February 2012 15:30, o.sahal at gmail.com [111]  wrote:
 Hi
 Good news I'll put it to the group tonight. I imagine they'll go for
that option with the building. But they need to make that decision.
Can I have the number for this guy to talk to him, he may want to
attend today's GA as well.

 Regards Omar.

 Sent from my HTC

 ----- Reply message -----
From: "Alma Segundo" 
 To: "Omar Sahal" 
 Subject: Important News for Liverpool GA
 Date: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:16 pm

 Hey Omar,
 How are you?
 I finally got good news for you.
 Greg who is an activist/artist based in Liverpool for the 5 last
years, has been contacted by Symon from Occupy Birmingham and he has
agreed to give us a building to accommodate people and hold the
meetings during the national conference. This is building has wifi
access and presents the security we need to work together.
 So, I am sending the options at the moment so you are full informed
to make a decision in the GA tonight:

 1. Does Occupy Liverpool wants to hold the national conference this
weekend, according to the agenda proposed in occupywiki?
 2. If the answer is yes, will it help you to have access to this
building proposed by Greg and based yourself there for the duration of
the conference and receive the national occupations?
 3. If the answer is no, will you feel comfortable with moving the
conference to London in the School of Ideas?

 Best and keep me posted as soon as you make a decision!
 If you need more info about the building in Liverpool, you can call
Symon on: 07954682806
 Best wishes!
 --
 Mac

 --
 so, by our labors, will it be destroyed.



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