[OccupyComms] Important News for Liverpool GA

Thu Feb 23 18:54:28 GMT 2012

Dear all,

James has offered to welcome any occupiers visiting London this weekend for
the national meeting.

As pointed out previously, this meeting has not received consensus from
either the GA or any Occupy London working group.

Please contact James directly with any relevant questions.

Tina

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 5:14 PM, <symon at occupybirmingham.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Hello friends..
>
> The question for me is better reframed.
> It is as was always the case never going to be possible to meet as a group
> to review the unfortunate circumstances surrounding the Liverpool camp.  In
> the week leading up to conference Liverpool occupiers have faced numerous
> challenges.  So..the presupposing we are all lovely good people for the
> most of it why not just ask.  Does anyone see a problem or have an
> objection to holding this months NGA in London. - With the reflection in
> mind that LSX can facilitate it and in turn we can offer solidarity.  We
> are a network of horizontally organised working groups, lets all lead the
> way in making it happen.  The church is not the building so to speak, so a
> mandate can be a very informal understanding.  .
>
> Hello friends..
>
> Solidarity
>
> Symon
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> "tina bakolitsa" <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>
>
> To:
> "Nicole Occupy" <nicole_jewitt at hotmail.com>
> Cc:
> <lsxcamp at gmail.com>, <ch451 at exeter.ac.uk>, <mikedolsx at gmailcom>, <
> joe at occupysheffield.org.uk>, <anneruth.strauss at googlemail.com>, <
> alma.segundo at gmail.com>, <o.sahal at gmail.com>, <bao07 at hotmail.fr>, <
> occupybristol at riseup.net>, <chakanhislop at gmail.com>, "Chris Occupy" <
> chrisc at indymedia.org.uk>, <kris.odonnell at gmail.com>, <vorn_ at hotmail.com>,
> <cristel at rapeaction.net>, <scotlandaware at inbox.com>, <
> martyncprice at gmail.com>, <helen.magicwords at googlemail.com>, <
> helen at occupyleeds.co.uk>, "Occupy Sheffield" <info at occupysheffield.org.uk>,
> <heartwoodjack at gmail.com>, <jamiemac01 at hotmail.co.uk>, <
> jamietillett at yahoo.com>, <lusterwings at gmail.com>, <hemipemi at hotmail.com>,
> <occupyedinburgh at gmail.com>, <occupyedinburghmedia at gmail.com>, <
> kiki at allwomencount.net>, <festival.kit at gmail.com>, <
> lisa at womenagainstrape.net>, <lissyadams at live.co.uk>, <max at ear-2-ear.com>,
> <misscraig1234 at gmail.com>, <msmsmslee at gmail.com>, <
> mikeferrigan at blueyonder.co.uk>, <mischievousape at gmail.com>, <nic at oh-ay.org>,
> <nina at allwomencount.net>, <media at occupybrighton.co.uk>, <
> admin at occupyliverpool.org>, <occupycomms at email-lists.org>, <
> ragnhildfd at gmail.com>, <ruth.occupy at gmail.com>, <samuel.carlisle at gmail.com>,
> <sarac at allwomencount.net>, <symon at occupybirmingham.org.uk>, <
> stuartplatt at hotmail.com>, <symonbailey at yahoo.co.uk>, <skenkley at gmail.com>,
> <w_t_allan at yahoo.com>, <tom at occupysheffield.org.uk>, <
> marknbarrett at googlemail.com>, "Ronan Occupylsx" <ronan.mcnern at gmail.com>
> Sent:
> Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:32:50 +0000
>
> Subject:
> Re: Important News for Liverpool GA
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Fwd: National Occupy Conference London
> 24/02/2012
> To: Vica <vicaolsx at gmail.com>
> Cc: "liz.beech at virgin.net" <liz.beech at virgin.net>, Tina Louise <
> tinalouise at gmail.com>, "anthony at silverback-group.co.uk" <
> anthony at silverback-group.co.uk>, Jamie kelsey-fry <lsxcamp at gmail.com>,
> occupylondon <OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com>
>
>
> Occupy London's outreach w.g. will be sending out a clarifying message to
> all parties concerned later today.
>
> While a single working group or occupation does not have the authority to
> declare whether or not a national occupy assembly is taking place, no
> member or group from Occupy London present at last month's gathering in
> Sheffield volunteered or agreed to host such an assembly this month. It was
> not agreed at the time, and it has not been agreed since.
>
> The consensus in Sheffield was for Liverpool to host this meeting. As
> such, if the meeting is not hosted in Liverpool, this goes against the
> national consensus.
>
> The misinformation presented on the wiki (
> https://occupywiki.org.uk/wiki/National_Occupy_Conference/2012-02_Liverpool)
> about this last minute change of venue having received "huge consensus"
> at an "emergency GA" will also be addressed. It was not an emergency GA to
> start with, and there was no consensus. The minutes are there to prove it.
>
> Whichever way one looks at this meeting, it has neither local (London) nor
> national consensus.
>
> Tina
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Nicole Occupy <nicole_jewitt at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Occupy Liverpool have announced this on their Facebook page too..
>>
>> Occupy Liverpool <https://www.facebook.com/OccupyLiverpool>
>> Successful and very positive GA tonight everyone, it really was
>> brilliant. Thank you to Liverpool Antifascists for their support and show
>> of solidarity. The National General Assembly this weekend is now being held
>> in London, and Liverpool is hosting next months NGA instead. Thank you to
>> everyone who showed up to today's GA, are we all ready to start occupying
>> again?!?
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:23:08 +0000
>>
>> Subject: Re: Important News for Liverpool GA
>> From: lsxcamp at gmail.com
>> To: tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com
>> CC: ch451 at exeter.ac.uk; mikedolsx at gmail.com; joe at occupysheffield.org.uk;
>> anneruth.strauss at googlemail.com <anneruthstrauss at googlemail.com>;
>> alma.segundo at gmail.com; o.sahal at gmail.com; bao07 at hotmail.fr;
>> occupybristol at riseup.net <occupybristol at riseupnet>;
>> chakanhislop at gmail.com <chakanhislop at gmailcom>; chrisc at indymedia.org.uk<chrisc at indymedia.orguk>;
>> kris.odonnell at gmail.com; vorn_ at hotmail.com; cristel at rapeaction.net;
>> scotlandaware at inbox.com; martyncprice at gmail.com;
>> helen.magicwords at googlemail.com; helen at occupyleeds.co.uk<helen at occupyleeds.couk>;
>> info at occupysheffield.org.uk <info at occupysheffieldorg.uk>;
>> heartwoodjack at gmail.com; jamiemac01 at hotmail.co.uk; jamietillett at yahoo.com;
>> lusterwings at gmail.com; hemipemi at hotmail.com <hemipemi at hotmailcom>;
>> occupyedinburgh at gmail.com; occupyedinburghmedia at gmail.com;
>> kiki at allwomencount.net; festival.kit at gmail.com; lisa at womenagainstrape.net;
>> lissyadams at live.co.uk; max at ear-2-ear.com; misscraig1234 at gmail.com;
>> msmsmslee at gmail.com; mikeferrigan at blueyonder.co.uk;
>> mischievousape at gmail.com; nic at oh-ay.org; nina at allwomencount.net;
>> media at occupybrighton.co.uk; admin at occupyliverpool.org;
>> occupycomms at email-lists.org; ragnhildfd at gmail.com; ruth.occupy at gmail.com;
>> samuel.carlisle at gmail.com; sarac at allwomencount.net;
>> symon at occupybirmingham.org.uk; stuartplatt at hotmail.com;
>> symonbailey at yahoo.co.uk; skenkley at gmail.com; w_t_allan at yahoo.com;
>> tom at occupysheffield.org.uk; marknbarrett at googlemail.com;
>> ronan.mcnern at gmail.com; nicole_jewitt at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>> "I suggest the Outreach team sends out a statement saying that the Wg
>> does not recognize this as the national gathering. It will be up to each
>> individual to decide what to do."
>>
>> I second the statement from Tina strongly, as an active member of
>> Outreach. There was no huge consensus and already, active members in school
>> of ideas are expressing concerns.
>>
>> Jamie
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:09 PM, tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Vica* <vicaolsx at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Occupy London] Fwd: National Occupy Conference London
>> 24/02/2012
>> To: "lizbeech at virgin.net <liz.beech at virgin.net>" <liz.beech at virgin.net>
>> Cc: Tina Louise <tinalouise at gmail.com>, "anthony at silverback-group.co.uk"
>> <anthony at silverback-group.co.uk>, tina bakolitsa <
>> tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>, Jamie kelsey-fry <lsxcamp at gmail.com>,
>> occupylondon <OccupyLondon at groupspaces.com>
>>
>>
>> A national Gathering needs at least a week of organization, a dedicated
>> team organizing it before. A dedicated team running it during the weekend.
>> All the Occupy London occupiers are deeply involved in the eviction and
>> the outreach programs for the weekend.
>> Including School of ideas who is providing support for the eviction. A
>> few active members of the SOI have raised concerns, and have also said that
>> this was organized without a clear consultation with them.
>>
>> Please can it be clearly stated:
>> 1.Who is the team organizing the gathering
>> 2. Their contact details
>> 3. What is the schedule for the gathering
>> 4. How they plan to host and feed the people coming from the rest of the
>> country.
>>
>> This  information must be made public immediately.
>>
>> If not, or if the information provided appears to have no consistency
>> with occupylondon WG activities,  I suggest the Outreach team sends out a
>> statement saying that the Wg does not recognize this as the national
>> gathering. It will be up to each individual to decide what to do.
>> and it should also state that If people want to come to show solidarity
>> they may...but we cannot in anyway support them on such a crucial weekend.
>>
>> Since the 15th of october the Outeach WG has been the main point of
>> contact and liaising WG for the National gathering. It is not about
>> leadership, it is about respecting the work of all those involved. Working
>> together, rather then in antagonism. so please, whoever is planning the
>> national gathering, please have great respect for the comments of the
>> active members of this WG.
>>
>> Vica
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 Feb 2012, at 15:12, "Elizabeth Beech" <liz.beech at virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> *Please relay this information to all networks. This proposal was met
>> with huge consensus and a rousing cheer in the vestibule of Saint Pauls at
>> the emergency eviction GA on 22/feb/12. you wont spend a penny while you
>> are here all will be taken care of. Just get to London....*
>> I've just got this off :
>> https://occupywiki.org.uk/wiki/National_Occupy_Conference/2012-02_Liverpool
>>
>> really - you won't spend a penny, will be taken care of  - what ?  how ?
>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Hudson, Carlus <ch451 at exeter.ac.uk>wrote:
>>
>>  As I understand it, a plan for the conference has been developed and is
>> ready to be actioned this weekend. We have the School of Ideas and Finsbury
>> Square as two spaces that can be used for the conference, and we can work
>> the meetings around anything that either site already has planned. Most of
>> the logistics are going to be sorted out by the visiting delegates rather
>> than putting stress on the people working from Occupy London.
>>
>> Despite the evictions and the authorities clamping down on Occupy, if we
>> push ahead with the conference it'll be a major victory for the movement.
>> Even in these difficult circumstances we fight on. Things have been quite
>> hectic in working out where the conference will take place but provided
>> there are lots of people from occupations around the country in London that
>> weekend, we have everything we need to hold those meetings and have our
>> conference.
>>
>> Carlus
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Mike D [mikedolsx at gmail.com <mikedolsx at gmailcom>]
>> Sent: 23 February 2012 14:22
>> To: jamie kelsey-fry
>> Cc: Joe; Anneruth Strauss; tina bakolitsa; Alma Segundo;
>> o.sahal at gmail.com; Baptiste Leeds; Bristol; Hudson, Carlus; chakan
>> hislop (Google Docs); Chris; Chris Occupy London Tranquility; Christopher
>> Adamson; Cristel; David Glasgow; Ginge Liverpool; Helen Leeds; Helen Occupy
>> Leeds; Info Michelle Sheffield; Jack Newcastle; Jamie Love Police
>> Edinburgh; Jamie Sheffield; Jennifer Davidson; Jonathan LSX Techie; Josh
>> Occupy Edinburgh Tech; Occed Burgh; Kiki; Kit Norwich; Lisa; Lissy
>> Liverpool; Max LSX; Michelle Craig; Michelle Sheffield; Mike Ferrigan
>> Occupy Edinburgh; mischievousape; Nic; Nina; Occupy Brighton media; Occupy
>> Liverpool; Occupy UK List; Ragnhild Freng Dale; Ruth LSX; Samuel Carlisle;
>> Sara WAR; Simon Birmingham; Stuart; Symon Birmingham; Tim; Tom Allan; Tom
>> Sheffield; Mark Barrett; Ronan McNern; Nicole Occupy
>> Subject: Re: Important News for Liverpool GA
>>
>> Also in total agreement Joe, big +1. I'd like to point out also that
>> other conferences get delayed/rescheduled quite routinely, especially when
>> they're dealing with current (or in our case, hyper-current) events. I
>> think all of us here in London feel a little tug on our heartstrings from
>> St. Paul's in light of what's going on, and our I know personally I
>> wouldn't be in the right headspace for the conference even if all the
>> logistics were cleanly worked out.
>>
>> -MD
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM, jamie kelsey-fry <lsxcamp at gmail.com
>> <mailto:lsxcamp at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I like your take on that Joe. I would definitely be up for a major
>> national conference down here soon, when people are able to organize in
>> advance. But agree that if some people are coming then the assemblies will
>> be all the better for it.
>>
>> Keep it lit
>>
>> jamie
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Joe <joe at occupysheffield.org.uk<mailto:
>> joe at occupysheffield.org.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> I can see both sides to this.
>>
>> Really respect the positivity and desire to make things happen.
>>
>> If the School of Ideas crew and occupiers think they can fit more things
>> in this weekend, (and existing events/speakers are cool with it) and if
>> people can be around this weekend to discuss the problems of our time,
>> propose future steps and work on active projects then go for it!
>>
>> I guess be aware that lots of people would love to be at a UK National
>> Occupy Conference in London, just not this weekend at such short notice.
>> We should be aware of how we "call" these national conferences too. A
>> location is suggested by anyone; that occupation then passes the idea
>> through their General Assembly. If people there want to do it, we should
>> ask the other UK occupations what they think of the proposal. It's a
>> national call out. Get a national temperature check.
>>
>> In this weekend's case I think people will come to London, but not as
>> many as we might have had if we could prepare more. If people at the School
>> of Ideas want to hold assemblies discussing agenda points from the working
>> agenda pad<https://pad.riseup.net/p/Liverpool> then that's great! Go
>> Occupy 2.0! Calling it a UK National Conference might be a bit of a stretch
>> though, depending on who else can make it. Maybe other occupations around
>> the UK who can't make it down can still discuss a national agenda this
>> weekend at their assemblies too.
>>
>> Unstoppable solidarity,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On 23 February 2012 09:53, jamie kelsey-fry <lsxcamp at gmail.com<mailto:
>> lsxcamp at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> PS Since Tina wrote this, the appeals have been turned down. So, a major
>> eviction of St Paul's expected at any time followed by a 'deep cleanse'.
>>  And there are several events at School Of Ideas already booked.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:48 AM, jamie kelsey-fry <lsxcamp at gmail.com
>> <mailto:lsxcamp at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I agree with Tina on this. There are several events booked at school of
>> ideas and little time to make preparations to provide for delegates and to
>> provide a cohesive agenda for a national conference.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Anneruth Strauss <
>> anneruth.strauss at googlemail.com<mailto:anneruth.strauss at googlemail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> Hi folks!
>> dont know whether this is relevant:
>> but here is an all weekend event in Edinburgh that is hanging in midair
>> right now
>> a training workshop in Compassionate Communication
>> as some people had to pull out
>> we need to know tonight whether there are at least 4 more takers to give
>> the go-ahead to tutor tonight.
>>
>> It is a unique opportunity, and is not dependant on how much (if any)
>> money you can contribute to your participating, but is only dependant on
>> your heart saying yes to going on a journey for this with other fellow
>> activists.
>>
>> This training course is part of the action outcome of the group that met
>> on Bute beginning of January, and who had consensus that compassionate
>> communication capacities are key to system change success for Occupy local
>> and global... and it was decided to give activists training opportunity in
>> NVC as a much appraised form of peace and power-with tool , creating the
>> enabling conditions for win win situations.
>>
>> Course has become part of wider wee project linking also in with love
>> economy practises.
>>
>> let  me know quickly if you would be free to consider participation,
>> please ;-)
>>
>> You can also view the wider project website (inspiring work n progress !)
>> here:
>> http://occupycompassionatecommunication.weebly.com/index.html
>>
>> xx
>> Anneruth (Ruth)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:12 PM, tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com
>> <mailto:tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  PS Please also note this weekend's schedule for School of Ideas.
>>
>>
>> http://schoolofideas.org.uk/events/
>>
>> Again, speakers and events have been booked far in advance and would not
>> be easy to reschedule.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:56 PM, tina bakolitsa <tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com
>> <mailto:tina.bakolitsa at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> To all those making statements about St Paul's hosting the national
>> occupy meeting this weekend:
>>
>> Please be aware that
>>
>> (a) following this morning's appeal dismissals we may not have access to
>> the site (there are rumours circulating it may be cordoned off for "deep
>> cleaning") and
>>
>> (b) if it is available, there are other events that take precedence over
>> the national occupy meeting, as they have been booked earlier.
>>
>> One such example is a panel discussion to be held by various academics on
>> the subject of Greece and the second bailout.
>>
>> I have started receiving e-mails from other occupations regarding the
>> status of this month's national assembly. I don't know how many people have
>> already either bought tickets to travel to Liverpool or are contemplating
>> traveling to London, how many have spent time and energy thinking about the
>> agenda etc.
>>
>> What I would like to request is that in the future, more responsibility
>> is shown and consideration given towards everyone's time and resources by
>> the people volunteering to hold and organise these meetings.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Alma Segundo <alma.segundo at gmail.com
>> <mailto:alma.segundo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> OK! Occupy Liverpool has decided they won't hold the national conference
>> this weekend and that it should be moved to London, School of Ideas.
>> Some people in London think it is too soon to prepare in 2 days, some
>> others think it might be pulled..
>> So?
>>
>> On 22 February 2012 18:57, o.sahal at gmail.com<mailto:o.sahal at gmail.com> <
>> o.sahal at gmail.com<mailto:o.sahal at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> You got the message right St Paul should have NGA
>>
>> Sent from my HTC
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Alma Segundo" <alma.segundo at gmail.com<mailto:
>> alma.segundo at gmail.com <alma.segundo at gmailcom>>>
>> To: "o.sahal at gmail.com<mailto:o.sahal at gmail.com>" <o.sahal at gmail.com
>> <mailto:o.sahal at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Important News for Liverpool GA
>> Date: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:59 pm
>>
>>
>> Great idea!
>> Greg's number: 07932762587
>>
>> On 22 February 2012 15:30, o.sahal at gmail.com<mailto:o.sahal at gmail.com<osahal at gmail.com>>
>> <o.sahal at gmail.com<mailto:o.sahal at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi
>> Good news I'll put it to the group tonight. I imagine they'll go for that
>> option with the building. But they need to make that decision Can I have
>> the number for this guy to talk to him, he may want to attend today's GA as
>> well.
>>
>>
>> Regards Omar.
>>
>> Sent from my HTC
>>
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Alma Segundo" <alma.segundo at gmail.com<mailto:
>> alma.segundo at gmail.com>>
>> To: "Omar Sahal" <o.sahal at gmail.com<mailto:o.sahal at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Important News for Liverpool GA
>> Date: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:16 pm
>>
>>
>> Hey Omar,
>> How are you?
>> I finally got good news for you.
>> Greg who is an activist/artist based in Liverpool for the 5 last years,
>> has been contacted by Symon from Occupy Birmingham and he has agreed to
>> give us a building to accommodate people and hold the meetings during the
>> national conference This is building has wifi access and presents the
>> security we need to work together.
>>
>> So, I am sending the options at the moment so you are full informed to
>> make a decision in the GA tonight:
>>
>> 1. Does Occupy Liverpool wants to hold the national conference this
>> weekend, according to the agenda proposed in occupywiki?
>> 2. If the answer is yes, will it help you to have access to this building
>> proposed by Greg and based yourself there for the duration of the
>> conference and receive the national occupations?
>> 3. If the answer is no, will you feel comfortable with moving the
>> conference to London in the School of Ideas?
>>
>> Best and keep me posted as soon as you make a decision!
>> If you need more info about the building in Liverpool, you can call Symon
>> on: 07954682806
>> Best wishes!
>> --
>> Mac
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> so, by our labors, will it be destroyed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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