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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The council have wanted to empty Meerbrook House for many years against opposition from the people who work there. I know I’d rather work there than Moorfoot.
It may be that this time they will actually succeed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I don’t know what is going on in the council’s mind, but I would say it is unlikely that there is anything other than a vague sort of plan of what to do with
the building if/when it is empty. Once it is known when it will be empty and it is decided that it is surplus to requirements/would cost too much to refurbish then it would be likely to be “market tested”. This would involve talking to developers etc to
see what interest there might be in it/what uses might be appropriate/possible for it. The buildings position/condition and possible opposition from the community reduces both it’s possible sale value and possible end uses.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is what gives the community their opportunity. I was involved from the council side with the transfer of Ann’s Grove school for community use. This basically
came about because the school could not be sold - partly because it was a tricky building and partly because the property market had crashed. Heeley development trust came to the council with a plan for funding phase 1 which ticked all the boxes for a transfer
to the community. A great deal of red tape later HDT got the building and got started.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I suppose the point I’m trying to make is that it makes no odds what the council currently do or don’t plan to do with the building. If a community group comes
forward with a realistic, funded plan which solves the problem of what to do with it once empty (and doesn’t bring local opposition) then I’d hope that would become plan A. What we don’t know is how long there is to come up with plan A. The council will
want to dispose of it as quickly as possible before the costs of security and maintenance start to mount.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If there isn’t a realistic plan from the community then the council will probably sell to the highest bidder or possibly try and get outline planning permission
for it then sell to the highest bidder. As it is currently offices that is the most likely future use – easiest to get through planning.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m just thinking out loud, but some sort of partnership between the council (as developer) and the “friends of Meersbrook House” could deliver the same sort
of thing HDT (as developer and client) have done at Ann’s Grove. Commercial offices let to support/sustain the community side.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’d better say that I’m a Lib Dem councillor (for Beauchief and Greenhill), was cabinet member for finance 2008-11 and am the prospective parliamentary candidate
for Heeley. These are my views/opinions as a resident of Meersbrook/very ex-cabinet member not necessarily the Sheffield Lib Dems.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I could be wrong about some or all of this - I am a politician after all ;) - but hope this gives you some useful background.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Simon C-J<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Joyce M Bullivant [<a href="mailto:1duckweed@live.co.uk">mailto:1duckweed@live.co.uk</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 September 2014 09:56<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:meersbrook-house@email-lists.org">meersbrook-house@email-lists.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [meersbrook-house] meersbrook-house Digest, Vol 4, Issue 13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What is evident is that the first priority of the Friends of Meersbrook Hall is getting either in writing or a statement publicly as to what is definitely happening and what options are being
discussed and whether the Council has any preferences and their reasons for those preferences. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I know from previous experience that employees do not always know what is going on in the Councils mind. I agree with David it is wrong to quote second hand none official statements. Not
because we are questioning the veracity but because it is not good practice. Also if that employee has disclosed information that he/she shouldn't have, it could be tracked back to them and they would lose their job. Apart from that being bad for the person
who is trying to be helpful, if we have someone who is leaking useful information that we couldn't get otherwise do we want to lose that source? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> 1. Re: IP address for survey (David)<br>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:01:53 +0100<br>
> From: David <</span><a href="mailto:david@solar-active.com"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">david@solar-active.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">><br>
> To: Laura Holmes <</span><a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">laura@b4wd.org.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">><br>
> Cc: meersbrook-house <</span><a href="mailto:meersbrook-house@email-lists.org"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">meersbrook-house@email-lists.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">><br>
> Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] IP address for survey<br>
> Message-ID: <</span><a href="mailto:7ugovhj9rihwycr72l9h72d6.1410508913646@email.android.com"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">7ugovhj9rihwycr72l9h72d6.1410508913646@email.android.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">><br>
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> I fully agree. David<br>
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> Laura Holmes <</span><a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">laura@b4wd.org.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi folks,<br>
> <br>
> From my point of view, the decision is simple. We were told definitively by councillors at the first meeting that SCC would be moving their staff out of that building, in fact, its the ONLY thing they gave us a definitive answer on. So I think its perfectly
fine to repeat what we have been told in a public meeting.<br>
> <br>
> Best regards<br>
> Laura<br>
> <br>
> ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~<br>
> Laura Holmes 07736 844109<br>
> </span><a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">laura@b4wd.org.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
> </span><a href="mailto:laura@holmesadmin.co.uk"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">laura@holmesadmin.co.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
> <br>
> On 11 Sep 2014, at 22:45, David Garlovsky <</span><a href="mailto:david@solar-active.com"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">david@solar-active.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Nick<br>
> <br>
> Such discussions need to be encouraged to be presented, ?in person, ?to the steering group. These conversations may be useful - but for what purpose? We need to request the information in writing and not allow such informality to take precedence. We are Friends
of Meersbrook Hall - no individual can stand for the group that is now forming. There seems to be some confusion that has arisen, from my point of view, about this move. ?1st we are told it is already starting to happen etc. now we are told not until the next
financial year.?<br>
> <br>
> We don?t want the SCC to create plans for the community without our direct involvement from the very beginning, and we can not accept ?that certain information is commercially sensitive as Cate has stated in the 1st meeting we had. The process must be transparent
by ourselves and the SCC. I am not experiencing this transparency by the ?politicians ?that have been involved so far.?<br>
> <br>
> David<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 11 Sep 2014, at 21:55, Nick Roscoe <</span><a href="mailto:nick@nickroscoe.com"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nick@nickroscoe.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi David<br>
> <br>
> I trust this man and he is certainly not having me on - this is what he has been told. ? Private and informal conversations are very useful in these circumstances where you know there's little chance of getting anything in writing soon from SCC. ? ?The official
position has already been stated - I've no reason to doubt this or what councillors have said, which is that IF there is going to be a move it will not be imminent - I think Cate McDonald said that if they were to move it would not be until next financial
year at the big meeting. ?She wouldn't have said this unless she was confident that it was true - there's no point at all in saying that. ?<br>
> <br>
> I'm as concerned as anyone that the council might be going to move everyone out and go on to sell, but as things stand, until SCC do confirm this there is no point in us stating it. ?By all means say the council MAY sell the building - it's good to say this,
because they may and the public needs to know what is at stake, but if they are still at the weighing up stage we need to keep things like that and not aggravate by saying they're moving out when we don't know for sure that they are.<br>
> <br>
> The development of this Friends group is very much part of the decision making there. ?I think it is best to get off to a strong start off with a robust Friends group with high expectations, an optimistic outlook, loads of public support and evidence of that.
?This takes time, and it takes time to attract good people who know about this sort of thing- we need architects, quantity surveyors, people with experience managing and developing buildings. ? With those sorts of people on board, and a good business plan,
then we might actually turn out to be the best option for the council. ?That's for the future, but for now I think there's nothing to be gained by ascribing plans to SCC which we can't substantiate.<br>
> <br>
> Leaflets - Anthony has found a cheap printer here, ?they are UK based and not Vistaprint, I will circulate the minutes of the last meeting tomorrow, but we have no money and Kaktus has said MPUT would offer some funds towards this. ?I don't think a small
charity like MPUT should be expected to effectively make donations to local business - let someone a bit more well off make that call.<br>
> <br>
> Nick<br>
> <br>
> On 11 September 2014 20:35, David Garlovsky <</span><a href="mailto:david@solar-active.com"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">david@solar-active.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:<br>
> Nick<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for this information. The question arises - Who do we believe????<br>
> <br>
> We need urgently from the SSC, in writing, is what their plans are. Does anyone have such a document? Has the Meersbrook Park User Trust ?been contacted with such information. I can not remember if Kaktus has mentioned this in any of the meetings he has attended.?<br>
> <br>
> With all respect, we can not simply go by a private informal conversations you or anyone else has had with one of the parks staff or any of our elected councillors. ?I am very wary of such dialogue. The park staff can come to our public meeting if they like
and present their situation to the community and be prepared to answer questions. I would guess none would do this. Nor would they be allowed i expect.?<br>
> <br>
> LEAFLET<br>
> <br>
> I will put some further thoughts on the leaflet on the Forum. However, I would support our going to a local printer even if more expensive. If I or my charity and company had ?the extra cash I would put in the ?100 for the quote I received for the 5000 leaflets.
I would like to hear from the steering Group that we look for a sponsor for ?this money. As a local community group we need to maintain certain principals from my point of view. Going to Vista Print in the Netherlands ?for printing the leaflets I do not support.?<br>
> <br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> <br>
> David<br>
> <br>
> David Garlovsky<br>
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> On 11 Sep 2014, at 18:28, Nick Roscoe <</span><a href="mailto:nick@nickroscoe.com"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nick@nickroscoe.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:<br>
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> ps - pavilion has one l<br>
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> On 11 September 2014 18:27, Nick Roscoe <</span><a href="mailto:nick@nickroscoe.com"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">nick@nickroscoe.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> wrote:<br>
> Hi Anthony/All<br>
> <br>
> Just caught up on your notes re hosting etc. Before you go off on you jollies please can you point survey.meersbrookhall.org.uk to?69.89.25.181, ?I want to experiment with the survey scripts and there are a few built in on this server, so would be better,
especially as you will be away.<br>
> <br>
> I'll let people know here when a 1st draft ?is available to try and everyone can run through it and pass on any comment. ?<br>
> <br>
> re the Facebook page, ?looks good and you pitch things well, but we need some admins,especially if you are away. ?I'm used to doing this (manage a few similar pages) and happy to help whilst you are away, though it's not something I want to do long term.
?You judge what to say well, but there is one comment - and it is reflected on the leaflet too - which still bothers me. It's not you - it's something lots of people have been saying. ? I spoke with a Parks officer yesterday, he said they had been told there
were no definite plans and if they were going to move it wasn't going to be imminent. This echoes what we have been told by the councillors, ie the official position.<br>
> <br>
> I'm wary about us just stating 'the council are moving out' as I think we need to prioritise getting an agreement from the council to delay moving out to give the organisation, when it is constituted, a chance to get its act together. ?Can we have 'in the
process of moving out', ? or ? 'have moved some officers out already' ??<br>
> <br>
> Ideally the council will change its mind and not move them out. ?This (and certainly a reprieve) is still possible, even if a remote chance. ? Councillors can be very sensitive about having controversial decisions ascribed to them which they have not made
(or at least announced) ? Of course the council have moved some staff out - but as long as there is the chance of parks staff staying I think it is better to sit on the fence with this in any official sounding announcements.<br>
> <br>
> cheers<br>
> Nick<br>
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