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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi all,<div>I am getting fed up with the arguments about issues that we have already decided on.</div><div>The meetings have clearly decided that;</div><div> 1. We need to have working groups of a manageable size. This has been set up.</div><div> 2. The object of what we are doing is to get a well attended well organised</div><div> public meeting in September at which hopefully the organisation will be</div><div> set up by voting in officers, starting to agree a constitution etc. This is has been</div><div> agreed.</div><div>Lets start listening to each other.</div><div>Kaktus Leach</div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:24:20 +0100<br>From: info@technologikal.com<br>CC: meersbrook-house@email-lists.org<br>Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] public meeting organisers<br><br><div dir="ltr">Exactly my thoughts on the matter, put quite succinctly.</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 28 June 2014 17:50, Rob Stephens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rob.stephens2@btinternet.com" target="_blank">rob.stephens2@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi all</div><div><br></div><div>I will be attending the smaller meeting on the 2 July.</div><div><br>
</div><div>Looking a the flow of emails over the last few days I agree that all minutes of all meetings should be published in a variety of formats and be accessible to the community.</div><div><br></div><div>However I think In order for this project to move forward and ultimately be successful I believe that a smaller management committee needs to be formed of up to 10 people. Public meetings of around 20-30 people are brilliant for generating ideas and enthusiasm and these should continue on a regular basis. But public meetings with a semi transient membership will not ultimately achieve the objects of the community and there is a danger that if we continue without clear direction the council will just what it pleases and we won't be ready to stop them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I do think the members of a management committee need to be elected at an open public meeting to make sure this a democratically elected body. Ultimately the committee will derive it's legitimacy from the community and should report on a regular basis on what it is doing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Look forward to continuing this discussion further.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes</div><div>Rob</div><div><br></div><div><br>On 28 Jun 2014, at 13:10, David Garlovsky <<a href="mailto:david@solar-active.com" target="_blank">david@solar-active.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote><div>Dear All<div><br></div><div>I left the meeting early for another meeting that was important to me. Not just for not being in attendance for when it was decided to have the meeting on 2nd but also that I do not feel any meeting should be restricted. Any restriction makes it ‘undemocratic' and gets into issues that we already have with the SCC on having secret meetings. I fully do not agree with Kaktus view, yet willing to consider some compromise that I will think about coming up with of course open to anyone that can think of a compromise. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On 28 Jun 2014, at 12:54, kaktusandnome leach <<a href="mailto:kaktus_nome@hotmail.com" target="_blank">kaktus_nome@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote>
<div><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div>I propose that the participants should be restricted to the nine</div><div>who were accepted at the last meeting, this seems to be the</div><div>most democratic way of doing things. Some clearly will not</div>
<div>be able to make it so the result will be similar to Moira's proposal.</div><div>which I think makes sense. </div><div>Regards,</div><div>Kaktus<br><br><div><hr>Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:41:13 +0100<br>From: <a href="mailto:rhian@eggplanet.co.uk" target="_blank">rhian@eggplanet.co.uk</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:meersbrook-house@email-lists.org" target="_blank">meersbrook-house@email-lists.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] public meeting organisers<br><br><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: "Rhiannon Thomas" <<a href="mailto:rhian@eggplanet.co.uk" target="_blank">rhian@eggplanet.co.uk</a>><br>Date: 26 Jun 2014 18:23<br>Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] Fwd: RE: public meeting organisers<br>
To: "Moira Walker" <<a href="mailto:moira_walker@hotmail.com" target="_blank">moira_walker@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <br><br><p dir="ltr">From what I can remember, and now that Kate can't make it I think there will be 6 people next week, though I'd recall all the names. I can confirm that I am intending to attend. </p>
<p dir="ltr">I think your skills will be v. useful at this point. </p><p dir="ltr">Rhian </p>
<div>On 26 Jun 2014 17:48, "Moira Walker" <<a href="mailto:moira_walker@hotmail.com" target="_blank">moira_walker@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div dir="ltr">Can we confirm how many people are attending this 'small working group' meeting. I don't think it will work with more than 6 so I will bow out if there are too many. I think its really hard to get business done and not just have an (albeit interesting) discussion when there are lots of interested people involved. I have lots of skills linked to public engagement, consultation (including previous consultation results), funding bids and constitution development which i am happy to throw into the mix when needed. <br>
thanks!<br>Moira <br> <br><div><hr>Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:51:50 +0100<br>From: <a href="mailto:rhian@eggplanet.co.uk" target="_blank">rhian@eggplanet.co.uk</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:meersbrook-house@email-lists.org" target="_blank">meersbrook-house@email-lists.org</a><br>
Subject: [meersbrook-house] Fwd: RE: public meeting organisers<br><br><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Rhiannon Thomas" <<a href="mailto:rhian@eggplanet.co.uk" target="_blank">rhian@eggplanet.co.uk</a>><br>
Date: 26 Jun 2014 12:50<br>Subject: RE: [meersbrook-house] public meeting organisers<br>
To: "kaktusandnome leach" <<a href="mailto:kaktus_nome@hotmail.com" target="_blank">kaktus_nome@hotmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <br><br><p dir="ltr">I have booked a couple of tables in the 'small snug' for next Wednesday (in my name). They can turn off the speakers in that part, if we request that when we get there. </p>
<p dir="ltr">There is a pub quiz starting at 9.30 and there are regulars who use this space, but I said we'd be done by 9, I thought it would help keep us focused! </p><p dir="ltr">Rhian</p>
<div>On 25 Jun 2014 09:39, "kaktusandnome leach" <<a href="mailto:kaktus_nome@hotmail.com" target="_blank">kaktus_nome@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;">
<div><div dir="ltr">Hi All,<div>If we are to meet in the White Lion we have to find a corner without music</div><div>as I am profoundly deaf and background noise more or less rules me out.</div><div>Kaktus<br><br><div><hr>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:35:50 +0100<br>From: <a href="mailto:rhian@eggplanet.co.uk" target="_blank">rhian@eggplanet.co.uk</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk" target="_blank">laura@b4wd.org.uk</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:meersbrook-house@email-lists.org" target="_blank">meersbrook-house@email-lists.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] public meeting organisers<br><br><p dir="ltr">Hi Laura, </p><p dir="ltr">That too was my understanding of the purpose of the meeting in the 2nd, but agree that all of Rob's points should be discussed on the 9th.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Happy for you to put the agenda together - thanks for offering. </p><p dir="ltr">See you in White Lion next week. </p><p dir="ltr">Rhian</p>
<div>On 19 Jun 2014 21:36, "Laura Holmes" <<a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk" target="_blank">laura@b4wd.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;">
<div lang="EN-GB"><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Hi Rob,<u></u><u></u></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span><br><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">These sound like really important items for discussion at the full steering group meeting on the 9<sup>th</sup>. My understanding of the meeting on the 2<sup>nd</sup> is that it is to talk about planning the public meeting in September so that we can make the best use of everyone’s time and gather as much info as possible – so am thinking the agenda will be limited to things like, aims of the public meeting and the activities and discussions that are needed to allow everyone to have their say.<u></u><u></u></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span><br><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Laura.<u></u><u></u></span><br><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span><br>
<div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;" lang="EN-US"> Rob Stephens [mailto:<a href="mailto:rob.stephens2@btinternet.com" target="_blank">rob.stephens2@btinternet.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 June 2014 21:22<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk" target="_blank">laura@b4wd.org.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:meersbrook-house@email-lists.org" target="_blank">meersbrook-house@email-lists.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [meersbrook-house] public meeting organisers<u></u><u></u></span><br></div></div><u></u> <u></u><br><div>Hi<u></u><u></u><br></div><div><u></u> <u></u><br>
</div><div>Happy to meet in the pub on this occasion, provided we aren't excluding anyone.<u></u><u></u><br></div><div><u></u> <u></u><br></div><div>Can I suggest a couple of items for the agenda?<u></u><u></u><br>
</div><div>1. Focus of the group? Is it to secure a useable and accessible community building for the whole community, situated in the park or is it about about preserving an old building? It maybe feasible to do both?<u></u><u></u><br>
</div><div>2. Structure of the group - there needs to be a management/executive committee formed with functions and decision making powers delegated to it by the steering committee. It's not feasible to manage this through group meetings of 20-25 people.<u></u><u></u><br>
</div><div>3. Anyone taking on a role I.e chairing the steering committee should be elected to that role by the rest of the group.<u></u><u></u><br></div><div><u></u> <u></u><br></div>
<div>Thanks<u></u><u></u><br></div><div>Rob<u></u><u></u><br></div><div><br>On 19 Jun 2014, at 20:56, "Laura Holmes" <<a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk" target="_blank">laura@b4wd.org.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u><br>
</div><blockquote><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Happy to go with Moira’s suggestion of meeting in the White Lion (just to avoid confusion, this is the meeting of the smaller working group on Weds 2<sup>nd</sup> July, not the full steering group meeting on the 9th).</span><u></u><u></u><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Would be willing to put an agenda together and chair this meeting if everyone else who has volunteered for this group is happy for me to do so?</span><u></u><u></u><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Cheers,</span><u></u><u></u><br><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;">Laura</span><u></u><u></u><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;"> </span><u></u><u></u><br><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;">
<b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt;" lang="EN-US"> kaktusandnome leach [<a href="mailto:kaktus_nome@hotmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kaktus_nome@hotmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 19 June 2014 12:25<br><b>To:</b> Laura Holmes<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [meersbrook-house] public meeting organisers</span><u></u><u></u><br></div></div> <u></u><u></u><br><div>
<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">I think a change of venue is a great idea, it gets a bit hectic at the pavilion.</span><u></u><u></u><br><div><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">Any suggestions about a venue? We could meet at the walled garden</span><u></u><u></u><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">as it is certainly peaceful there and there is a choice of being indoors or</span><u></u><u></u><br></div><div>
<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">outdoors. I would also be happy in a pub.</span><u></u><u></u><br></div><div><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">Kaktus</span><u></u><u></u><br>
<div><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">> From: </span><a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">laura@b4wd.org.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"><br>
> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:17:41 +0100<br>> To: </span><a href="mailto:meersbrook-house@email-lists.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">meersbrook-house@email-lists...org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"><br>
> Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] public meeting organisers<br>> <br>> Hi all,<br>> <br>> Agree that our small working group meeting on the 2nd would be fine to take place in the pub, with the full steering group meeting taking place in the Pavilion as normal on the 9th.<br>
> <br>> Cheers,<br>> Laura<br>> <br>> ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~<br>> Laura Holmes <a target="_blank">07736 844109</a><br>> </span><a href="mailto:laura@b4wd.org.uk" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">laura@b4wd.org.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"><br>
> </span><a href="mailto:laura@holmesadmin.co.uk" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">laura@holmesadmin.co.uk</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";"><br>
> <br>> On 19 Jun 2014, at 10:53, Chris <</span><a href="mailto:chris@meersbrook.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">chris@meersbrook.net</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";">> wrote:<br>
> <br>> > Hi<br>> > <br>> > On Thu 19-Jun-2014 at 10:44:51AM +0100, David Garlovsky wrote:<br>> >> <br>> >> If skills list was created last night, who do I contact to add my<br>> >> skills to the list?<br>
> > <br>> > It wasn't.<br>> > <br>> >> What is date of next meeting?<br>> > <br>> > There is a small meeting to discuss the public meeting agenda in two<br>> > weeks time, Wednesday 2nd July, and then the next full committee meeting<br>
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