[meersbrook-house] meersbrook-house Digest, Vol 4, Issue 17
Joyce M Bullivant
1duckweed at live.co.uk
Sat Sep 13 09:45:36 GMT 2014
I do think as said previously there should be an agreed spokesperson and correspondence to Councillors specific to Meersbrook Hall should be by that person. We must present a unified front. > From: meersbrook-house-request at email-lists.org> Subject: meersbrook-house Digest, Vol 4, Issue 17
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> 1. Re: Fwd: What was stated at the meeting of 60 about Meersbook
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> 2. Re: meersbrook-house Digest, Vol 4, Issue 16 (Joyce M Bullivant)
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> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:18:35 +0100
> From: Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com>
> To: David Garlovsky <david at solar-active.com>, meersbrook-house
> <meersbrook-house at email-lists.org>
> Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] Fwd: What was stated at the meeting of
> 60 about Meersbook Hall
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> Folks - apologies... I've just looked at my own notes from that first
> meeting and I did write that they confirmed they would move out in the next
> year or two... I don;t know what to think now as I don't actually remember
> them saying this but definitely do remember the other stuff I quoted...
>
> Whilst a bit embarrassing for me, if my notes were accurate then today's
> emails were useful in showing SCC has backtracked a little.
>
> I'll go away now...
>
> Nick
>
> On 13 September 2014 00:07, Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com> wrote:
>
> > David we can discuss this until the cows come home but there is no change
> > here - this is just the council sitting on the fence as they have been
> > doing so far - they definitely never actually said 'yes we are moving
> > out'. I was sat right next to Cate in that meeting. She said there were
> > no definite plans, just as she has said today, and that IF there was
> > going to be a move it would be next financial year but definitely not
> > imminent. ( think her actual words were 'after next financial year' but
> > that seemed to imply in the next financial year)
> >
> > As for your questioning, I'm in contact with Cate on a fairly regular
> > basis due to her involvement with Friends of Bishops' House. It;s very easy
> > just to ask, and makes sense when there is such a basic confusion as this
> > that needs sorting out.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > On 12 September 2014 23:42, David Garlovsky <david at solar-active.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> I question your decision to contact Cate. Based on the information in
> >> the email for Cate, I would suggest we call a meeting of the Steering
> >> Group a.s.a.p. to fully discuss
> >>
> >> My recollection is that of Laura?s what Cate said in the meeting.
> >>
> >> As this email is going out to the entire mailing list - can others
> >> respond to state what their recollection is of the meeting - what they can
> >> remember that Cate and the other councillor stated in regard to the
> >> officers moving out.
> >>
> >> Great if Kaktus could get back to us with his recollection as he was
> >> chairing the meeting. Did anyone take any notes??
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> David Garlovsky
> >> david at solar-active.com
> >>
> >> "It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see." Henry David
> >> Thoreau
> >>
> >> ?Success is liking yourself, liking what you do and liking how you do it?
> >> - Maya Angelou
> >>
> >>
> >> Schools & Homes Energy Education Project
> >> 84 Upper Valley Road
> >> Sheffield S8 9HE
> >> +44 (0)114 2587639
> >> 07968844891
> >>
> >> On 12 Sep 2014, at 22:28, Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Laura/David and all
> >>
> >> We had such different recollections of what was said at that first
> >> meeting Laura that I decided to get it from the horse's mouth:
> >>
> >> On 12 September 2014 10:25, Mcdonald Cate (LAB-CLLR) <
> >> Cate.Mcdonald at sheffield.gov.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Nick
> >>
> >> As far as I am aware, there are no specific plans to move staff out of
> >> MH. I will check with officers and get back to you asap.
> >>
> >> Also, following the last meeting, I asked officers to identify a contact
> >> point for the group. I will chase this up also.
> >>
> >> Thank you for keeping me in the loop.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Cate
> >>
> >>
> >> And then....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have checked with officers and nothing has changed since the last
> >> meeting: there are no specific plans for Parks and Countryside staff to
> >> move out of Meersbrook Hall. Consequently, there are no plans for the
> >> building to be vacated in the near future.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry, I cannot be more helpful.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >>
> >>
> >> Cate
> >>
> >>
> >> Whatever the agenda may be, if they won't say they are definitely moving
> >> out I don't think we should get into the habit of saying they are. Of
> >> course there is a vague indication that they MAY move out in the not so
> >> near future, but that is what is up for negotiation. Hopes and
> >> expectations high etc. Instead of the first two bullet points on the
> >> leaflet can we have something like: 'Sheffield Council are moving offices
> >> to Moorfoot and there are concerns that Meersbrook Hall may be vacated and
> >> sold"
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:30:05 +0100
> From: Joyce M Bullivant <1duckweed at live.co.uk>
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> The Council has said as I understand it that they are reviewing the future use of the building? Might I suggest that we put that and get on with printing leaflets as we will have no one at the meeting & whole thing will be academic.
>
> > From: meersbrook-house-request at email-lists.org
> > Subject: meersbrook-house Digest, Vol 4, Issue 16
> > To: meersbrook-house at email-lists.org
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 23:07:53 +0000
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> > 1. Fwd: clarification for leaflets re Meersbook Hall public
> > meeting (Nick Roscoe)
> > 2. Re: Fwd: What was stated at the meeting of 60 about Meersbook
> > Hall (David Garlovsky)
> > 3. Re: Fwd: What was stated at the meeting of 60 about Meersbook
> > Hall (Nick Roscoe)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:28:08 +0100
> > From: Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com>
> > To: meersbrook-house <meersbrook-house at email-lists.org>
> > Subject: [meersbrook-house] Fwd: clarification for leaflets re
> > Meersbook Hall public meeting
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> > Hi Laura/David and all
> >
> > We had such different recollections of what was said at that first meeting
> > Laura that I decided to get it from the horse's mouth:
> >
> > On 12 September 2014 10:25, Mcdonald Cate (LAB-CLLR) <
> > Cate.Mcdonald at sheffield.gov.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Nick
> >
> > As far as I am aware, there are no specific plans to move staff out of MH.
> > I will check with officers and get back to you asap.
> >
> > Also, following the last meeting, I asked officers to identify a contact
> > point for the group. I will chase this up also.
> >
> > Thank you for keeping me in the loop.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Cate
> >
> >
> > And then....
> >
> >
> >
> > I have checked with officers and nothing has changed since the last
> > meeting: there are no specific plans for Parks and Countryside staff to
> > move out of Meersbrook Hall. Consequently, there are no plans for the
> > building to be vacated in the near future.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry, I cannot be more helpful.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> >
> >
> > Cate
> >
> >
> > Whatever the agenda may be, if they won't say they are definitely moving
> > out I don't think we should get into the habit of saying they are. Of
> > course there is a vague indication that they MAY move out in the not so
> > near future, but that is what is up for negotiation. Hopes and
> > expectations high etc. Instead of the first two bullet points on the
> > leaflet can we have something like: 'Sheffield Council are moving offices
> > to Moorfoot and there are concerns that Meersbrook Hall may be vacated and
> > sold"
> >
> > Nick
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 23:42:05 +0100
> > From: David Garlovsky <david at solar-active.com>
> > To: Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com>
> > Cc: meersbrook-house <meersbrook-house at email-lists.org>
> > Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] Fwd: What was stated at the meeting of
> > 60 about Meersbook Hall
> > Message-ID: <F48F82BC-1033-4E3E-8E5D-6F7EB0EF099B at solar-active.com>
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> >
> > Nick
> >
> > I question your decision to contact Cate. Based on the information in the email for Cate, I would suggest we call a meeting of the Steering Group a.s.a.p. to fully discuss
> >
> > My recollection is that of Laura?s what Cate said in the meeting.
> >
> > As this email is going out to the entire mailing list - can others respond to state what their recollection is of the meeting - what they can remember that Cate and the other councillor stated in regard to the officers moving out.
> >
> > Great if Kaktus could get back to us with his recollection as he was chairing the meeting. Did anyone take any notes??
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > David Garlovsky
> > david at solar-active.com
> >
> > "It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see." Henry David Thoreau
> >
> > ?Success is liking yourself, liking what you do and liking how you do it? - Maya Angelou
> >
> >
> > Schools & Homes Energy Education Project
> > 84 Upper Valley Road
> > Sheffield S8 9HE
> > +44 (0)114 2587639
> > 07968844891
> >
> > On 12 Sep 2014, at 22:28, Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Laura/David and all
> > >
> > > We had such different recollections of what was said at that first meeting Laura that I decided to get it from the horse's mouth:
> > >
> > > On 12 September 2014 10:25, Mcdonald Cate (LAB-CLLR) <Cate.Mcdonald at sheffield.gov.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Nick
> > >
> > > As far as I am aware, there are no specific plans to move staff out of MH. I will check with officers and get back to you asap.
> > >
> > > Also, following the last meeting, I asked officers to identify a contact point for the group. I will chase this up also.
> > >
> > > Thank you for keeping me in the loop.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Cate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And then....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have checked with officers and nothing has changed since the last meeting: there are no specific plans for Parks and Countryside staff to move out of Meersbrook Hall. Consequently, there are no plans for the building to be vacated in the near future.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, I cannot be more helpful.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > >
> > > Cate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Whatever the agenda may be, if they won't say they are definitely moving out I don't think we should get into the habit of saying they are. Of course there is a vague indication that they MAY move out in the not so near future, but that is what is up for negotiation. Hopes and expectations high etc. Instead of the first two bullet points on the leaflet can we have something like: 'Sheffield Council are moving offices to Moorfoot and there are concerns that Meersbrook Hall may be vacated and sold"
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 00:07:18 +0100
> > From: Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com>
> > To: David Garlovsky <david at solar-active.com>, meersbrook-house
> > <meersbrook-house at email-lists.org>
> > Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] Fwd: What was stated at the meeting of
> > 60 about Meersbook Hall
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > David we can discuss this until the cows come home but there is no change
> > here - this is just the council sitting on the fence as they have been
> > doing so far - they definitely never actually said 'yes we are moving
> > out'. I was sat right next to Cate in that meeting. She said there were
> > no definite plans, just as she has said today, and that IF there was
> > going to be a move it would be next financial year but definitely not
> > imminent. ( think her actual words were 'after next financial year' but
> > that seemed to imply in the next financial year)
> >
> > As for your questioning, I'm in contact with Cate on a fairly regular basis
> > due to her involvement with Friends of Bishops' House. It;s very easy just
> > to ask, and makes sense when there is such a basic confusion as this that
> > needs sorting out.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > On 12 September 2014 23:42, David Garlovsky <david at solar-active.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > I question your decision to contact Cate. Based on the information in the
> > > email for Cate, I would suggest we call a meeting of the Steering Group
> > > a.s.a.p. to fully discuss
> > >
> > > My recollection is that of Laura?s what Cate said in the meeting.
> > >
> > > As this email is going out to the entire mailing list - can others respond
> > > to state what their recollection is of the meeting - what they can remember
> > > that Cate and the other councillor stated in regard to the officers moving
> > > out.
> > >
> > > Great if Kaktus could get back to us with his recollection as he was
> > > chairing the meeting. Did anyone take any notes??
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > David Garlovsky
> > > david at solar-active.com
> > >
> > > "It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see." Henry David
> > > Thoreau
> > >
> > > ?Success is liking yourself, liking what you do and liking how you do it?
> > > - Maya Angelou
> > >
> > >
> > > Schools & Homes Energy Education Project
> > > 84 Upper Valley Road
> > > Sheffield S8 9HE
> > > +44 (0)114 2587639
> > > 07968844891
> > >
> > > On 12 Sep 2014, at 22:28, Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Laura/David and all
> > >
> > > We had such different recollections of what was said at that first meeting
> > > Laura that I decided to get it from the horse's mouth:
> > >
> > > On 12 September 2014 10:25, Mcdonald Cate (LAB-CLLR) <
> > > Cate.Mcdonald at sheffield.gov.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Nick
> > >
> > > As far as I am aware, there are no specific plans to move staff out of MH.
> > > I will check with officers and get back to you asap.
> > >
> > > Also, following the last meeting, I asked officers to identify a contact
> > > point for the group. I will chase this up also.
> > >
> > > Thank you for keeping me in the loop.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Cate
> > >
> > >
> > > And then....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have checked with officers and nothing has changed since the last
> > > meeting: there are no specific plans for Parks and Countryside staff to
> > > move out of Meersbrook Hall. Consequently, there are no plans for the
> > > building to be vacated in the near future.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, I cannot be more helpful.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > >
> > >
> > > Cate
> > >
> > >
> > > Whatever the agenda may be, if they won't say they are definitely moving
> > > out I don't think we should get into the habit of saying they are. Of
> > > course there is a vague indication that they MAY move out in the not so
> > > near future, but that is what is up for negotiation. Hopes and
> > > expectations high etc. Instead of the first two bullet points on the
> > > leaflet can we have something like: 'Sheffield Council are moving offices
> > > to Moorfoot and there are concerns that Meersbrook Hall may be vacated and
> > > sold"
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > meersbrook-house mailing list
> > > meersbrook-house at email-lists.org
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