[meersbrook-house] meersbrook-house Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13

Laura Holmes laura at b4wd.org.uk
Wed Jul 23 20:20:16 GMT 2014


I completely agree. Will discuss publicising the forum at the same time as
the public meeting with the rest of the working group tomorrow.

Liz and I are going to visit The Point on Friday.

Thanks Joyce :)

Laura.

 

From: Joyce M Bullivant [mailto:1duckweed at live.co.uk] 
Sent: 23 July 2014 16:54
To: meersbrook-house at email-lists.org
Subject: Re: [meersbrook-house] meersbrook-house Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13

 

I think it does not matter whether we are a voted for group or otherwise as
we are not at present negotiating with anybody. As I understand it we are
gathering information re legal status, potential uses of Meersbrook Hall,
condition of Hall, etc which we will put to a general meeting as well as
seek people to be elected to an exec committee. We therefore need publicity
so that anyone that might want to be elected can come forward otherwise we
are just becoming a clique. There may be no new people who want to stand but
they should be given chance to. Any funding bids etc would be up to that
elected group and Friends. We cannot ask for Friends till we are a
designated group. That all comes with an elected exec. I think the Doncaster
visit was a good idea. What we need to be able to do is present the facts to
the public meeting and possible options. Possibly we could before that
present various options on the forum and get people to join forum to discuss
that?. Is there some sort of statement we can have published suggesting they
join forum? They hopefully will become Friends when the time is appropriate.


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> Hi Laura and All
> 
> I still want to come to this on 24th - let me now where it ends up being.
> Kaktus are you coming to this?
> 
> Not many people came to the last meeting, which is a worry, as with only
> about ten people you don't really know if the decisions of the meeting are
> that representative. With this in mind, and in light of a suggestion Cate
> McDonald made to me that we are a 'self selected group' I think it is
> essential to focus on promoting this meeting for a wide attendance, and to
> use the meeting to accurately record the sentiments of the local
community,
> as there is no guarantee any council led 'public consultation' will
succeed
> in doing this.
> 
> I think Cate was perfectly entitled to make that point, but the question
> that it begs is, what are the primary concerns of the local community? -
in
> terms of users of the Park, obvious stakeholder organisations and in
> particular the residents of Brook Road directly facing onto the building.
> 
> A friends group with lots of members signed up can be a powerful
> representative of public sentiment, provided there are strong aims and
> objectives, but even now I think there is too much potential in them for
> pavilion users to be played off against those whose main concern is that
> Meersbrook Hall and chunks of Meersbrook Park.
> 
> So I think the shape of any questionnaire at the Sept meeting or otherwise
> is very important. We need a record of the concerns and priorites of local
> residents and groups.
> 
> Note that our working name was almost agreed as 'Friends of Meersbrook
> Hall' at the last meeting, but 'and Pavilion' was added for the time being
> to attract pavilion users to the public meeting. Ultimately we need robust
> and unified objectives which will be attractive to funders and they are
> primarily the HLF, Big Lottery and Locality related projects (see this -
> just announced -http://locality.org.uk/projects/power-change/)
> 
> re legal structure, a discussion of that needs to keep an eye on these
pots
> of money. I have lots of thoughts but can't do 4th Aug, any chance of
early
> next week instead? Though all we can really do is outline options which a
> management committee should be able to decide on.
> 
> On the subject of HLF - this building is listed and has plenty of
> interesting history around it and the park. The connection with Ruskin is
> important and adds to the historical weight of our project. It is a big
> mistake to pit 'saving an old building' against securing community
> resources. The building is not under threat, but also it is not just an
> 'old building'. It is an important listed building with interesting
> history and a legacy as a community asset wrapped up into it. As someone
> who has tried to save non listed old buildings I know only too well that
> the listed status and historical aspects will be key to a proposal for
this
> building can be reclaimed AS a community resource. That's where a lot of
> the money is which could kickstart this project. Moreover HLF are
> currently making a thing about parks as public assets and the threat they
> face from cash starved local councils - this can only be a good thing as
> far as funding from them is concerned.
> 
> http://www.hlf.org.uk/news/Pages/StateUKParks.aspx
> 
> 
> Nick
> 
> On 20 July 2014 21:53, Laura Holmes <laura at b4wd.org.uk
<mailto:laura at b4wd.org.uk> > wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I just check who is planning to come to the working group meeting on
24
> > th July? I know a lot of people now have other commitments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a reminder that the proposed agenda is up on the forum at
> > http://meersbrook.technologikal.com/viewtopic.php?f=12
<http://meersbrook.technologikal.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18> &t=18 ? please
> > shout up if you are having difficulty accessing this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Helen ? have you been able to book the Pavilion? Will need to make sure
> > someone with a key is coming or make arrangements to get access.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Laura.
> >
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> On 22 July 2014 14:39, Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com
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> > those whose main concern is that Meersbrook Hall and chunks of
Meersbrook
> > Park
> 
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> Sorry - above should read:
> who main concern is that Meersbrook Hall and chunks of Meersbrook Park are
> not sold off for short term gains where there are viable long terms
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> Some good links there Nick. I felt that it was pretty much clear at the
> last meeting that the name can be up for discussion when we've
> informed/consulted the wider community and preparation for the public
> meeting is the primary focus of the group now.
> 
> 
> On 22 July 2014 14:39, Nick Roscoe <nick at nickroscoe.com
<mailto:nick at nickroscoe.com> > wrote:
> 
> > Hi Laura and All
> >
> > I still want to come to this on 24th - let me now where it ends up
being.
> > Kaktus are you coming to this?
> >
> > Not many people came to the last meeting, which is a worry, as with only
> > about ten people you don't really know if the decisions of the meeting
are
> > that representative. With this in mind, and in light of a suggestion
Cate
> > McDonald made to me that we are a 'self selected group' I think it is
> > essential to focus on promoting this meeting for a wide attendance, and
to
> > use the meeting to accurately record the sentiments of the local
community,
> > as there is no guarantee any council led 'public consultation' will
succeed
> > in doing this.
> >
> > I think Cate was perfectly entitled to make that point, but the question
> > that it begs is, what are the primary concerns of the local community? -
in
> > terms of users of the Park, obvious stakeholder organisations and in
> > particular the residents of Brook Road directly facing onto the
building.
> >
> > A friends group with lots of members signed up can be a powerful
> > representative of public sentiment, provided there are strong aims and
> > objectives, but even now I think there is too much potential in them for
> > pavilion users to be played off against those whose main concern is that
> > Meersbrook Hall and chunks of Meersbrook Park.
> >
> > So I think the shape of any questionnaire at the Sept meeting or
otherwise
> > is very important. We need a record of the concerns and priorites of
local
> > residents and groups.
> >
> > Note that our working name was almost agreed as 'Friends of Meersbrook
> > Hall' at the last meeting, but 'and Pavilion' was added for the time
being
> > to attract pavilion users to the public meeting. Ultimately we need
robust
> > and unified objectives which will be attractive to funders and they are
> > primarily the HLF, Big Lottery and Locality related projects (see this -
> > just announced -http://locality.org.uk/projects/power-change/)
> >
> > re legal structure, a discussion of that needs to keep an eye on these
> > pots of money. I have lots of thoughts but can't do 4th Aug, any chance
of
> > early next week instead? Though all we can really do is outline options
> > which a management committee should be able to decide on.
> >
> > On the subject of HLF - this building is listed and has plenty of
> > interesting history around it and the park. The connection with Ruskin
is
> > important and adds to the historical weight of our project. It is a big
> > mistake to pit 'saving an old building' against securing community
> > resources. The building is not under threat, but also it is not just an
> > 'old building'. It is an important listed building with interesting
> > history and a legacy as a community asset wrapped up into it. As someone
> > who has tried to save non listed old buildings I know only too well that
> > the listed status and historical aspects will be key to a proposal for
this
> > building can be reclaimed AS a community resource. That's where a lot of
> > the money is which could kickstart this project. Moreover HLF are
> > currently making a thing about parks as public assets and the threat
they
> > face from cash starved local councils - this can only be a good thing as
> > far as funding from them is concerned.
> >
> > http://www.hlf.org.uk/news/Pages/StateUKParks.aspx
> >
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > On 20 July 2014 21:53, Laura Holmes <laura at b4wd.org.uk
<mailto:laura at b4wd.org.uk> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Can I just check who is planning to come to the working group meeting
on
> >> 24th July? I know a lot of people now have other commitments.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just a reminder that the proposed agenda is up on the forum at
> >> http://meersbrook.technologikal.com/viewtopic.php?f=12
<http://meersbrook.technologikal.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18> &t=18 - please
> >> shout up if you are having difficulty accessing this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Helen - have you been able to book the Pavilion? Will need to make sure
> >> someone with a key is coming or make arrangements to get access.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Laura.
> >>
> >>
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