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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ariel wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"I can put the NGO that I work with in Brazil to test the softwares, also,
we can make a documentary or something, the issue is that, since the software
will be in English, i believe that could be difficult to put the community were
we work to do the test since they can´t speak the language, but, people from the
staff of the NGO can handle English very well, so maybe them from the staff
could work as a tester community (the staff is broad inf social and geographic
origins and context). In this case, I could do the training with
them."<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>But isn't this precisely the kind of thing
we should be considering in developing the project. How not to make it
anglocentric, how to design software that can be used without having to speak a
particular language or perhaps with little or not literacy. There are
examples of participatory video projects and other projects where symbols or
recognition of a set of words etc.. can enable participation .. rather than
just removing participation to a set of mediators.. ...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Clodagh</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=hamithat@gmail.com href="mailto:hamithat@gmail.com">Hamithat</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=A.M.Dearden@shu.ac.uk
href="mailto:A.M.Dearden@shu.ac.uk">Dearden, Andrew M</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=esocialaction@email-lists.org
href="mailto:esocialaction@email-lists.org">esocialaction@email-lists.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:34
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [esocialaction] open doc
proposal - Roles and Finance</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Well.. I didn´t figure out that the deadline were so
near.<BR><BR>I will focus in the points that seems to be needing more
effort.<BR><BR>About the Tool development / integration<BR>There is a group in
Brazil that is doing and systematic analysis of free software for multimedia
production (sound and video). Most of them came from tactical media Brazil. I
Believe that almost all software have English versions. I were hoping to
contact them to establish some kind of bridge, since they now are related with
a major project in the Brazilian government but I don´t know if there will be
enough time. If you think it is needed I could call some one from that group
to the discussion.<BR><BR>About Documentary making / testing<BR>I can put the
NGO that I work with in Brazil to test the softwares, also, we can make a
documentary or something, the issue is that, since the software will be in
English, i believe that could be difficult to put the community were we work
to do the test since they can´t speak the language, but, people from the staff
of the NGO can handle English very well, so maybe them from the staff could
work as a tester community (the staff is broad inf social and geographic
origins and context). In this case, I could do the training with
them.<BR><BR>I believe that more than expertise an project might need
"institutional support", and I wish I could help with this, the best I can is
to act through the NGO were I´m working as Projects Director.<BR><BR>So, you
people know much better than me how to elaborate an project, I´m interested in
help in any way I can, anything you people think that I could be helpful,
please contact me.<BR><BR>Ariel<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 9/13/05, <B class=gmail_sendername>Dearden,
Andrew M</B> <<A
href="mailto:A.M.Dearden@shu.ac.uk">A.M.Dearden@shu.ac.uk</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"><BR><BR>Hi
All<BR><BR>I'm all in favour of doing things on teh wiki where possible, but
I have found in the past that writing proposals by wiki is
very<BR>difficult. It is less clear who is going to make sure the proposal
actually gets finished and submitted on time. My understanding<BR>is that we
are hoping that Yuwei & Marlene will submit the outline proposal next
week (20th)<BR><BR>We have very little time left.<BR><BR>I would like to
suggest the following allocation of people to roles. <BR><BR>Needs
analysis:<BR>Andy (myself), Ann Light, David Wilcox -<BR><BR>It would help
to have someone from outside the UK as part of this work. I have a couple of
possible contacts (David Casacuberta in<BR>Barcelona, Fiorella de Cindio in
Milan) who might be interested. If no-one on the list from outside the UK
wants to sign up, I<BR>will contact one or both of them. <BR><BR>Tool
development / integration<BR>Tactical tech? Giles Lane (proboscis)?,
Cinelera?, Soenke Zehle?<BR>We don't have anyone listed as yet as
specifically interested in co-ordinating the development work. This is
critical. Are any of<BR>the people listed here interested in taking this on
board (obviously at a very provisional level right now).<BR><BR>The point
here is that the initial proposal should make some suggestion as to an
approximate budget for the project. We may be <BR>doing back of the envelope
stuff here, but we should have an idea of the kind of amounts we are talkign
about, and the time scale.<BR><BR>Documentary making / testing<BR>I still
think we need someone to offer the specific skills in community documentary
making - Ginny at Voluntary Arts may be able <BR>to help. Who else would be
interested from outside the UK?<BR><BR>Training workshops:<BR>Leonie Ramondt
(ultralab) ?<BR>Steve Thompson<BR>Again, a non-UK / non English speaking
line would be helpful.<BR><BR><BR>Evaluation: <BR>Ann Light, Steve Thompson,
Andy Dearden, Yuwei Lin & Marleen<BR><BR>Assuming that we want this to
be a 3 year project, what kinds of finance would people be looking
for.<BR><BR>For my own place I'd be thinking about about 220 - 250K Euros -
this would employ a research assistant for 3 years, plus some <BR>money to
cover my time (about 1 day per week), plus some money for
travel.<BR><BR><BR>Andy<BR><BR><BR>Andy Dearden<BR>Communications &
Computing Research Centre<BR>ACES<BR>Harmer Building<BR>Sheffield Hallam
University <BR>Sheffield<BR>S1 1WB<BR>UK<BR><BR>email: <A
href="mailto:a.m.dearden@shu.ac.uk">a.m.dearden@shu.ac.uk</A><BR>Tel: 0114
225 2916<BR>Fax: 0114 225 3161<BR><BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:esocialaction-bounces@email-lists.org">esocialaction-bounces@email-lists.org</A><BR>>
[mailto:<A
href="mailto:esocialaction-bounces@email-lists.org">esocialaction-bounces@email-lists.org</A>]
On Behalf Of Yuwei Lin<BR>> Sent: 12 September 2005 16:19<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:esocialaction@email-lists.org">esocialaction@email-lists.org</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [esocialaction] open documentary project - draft
proposal<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi All,<BR>><BR>> Thanks for showing
your interest in the project. <BR>><BR>> I'm trying to narrow down the
project to a more doable level. It is<BR>> possible that we will
cooperate with TacticalTech<BR>> (<A
href="http://www.tacticaltech.org">http://www.tacticaltech.org</A> ) and
incorporate their practical<BR>> activities<BR>> with the research
activities. To make this incorporation<BR>> easier, I have<BR>> listed
three main research duties essential in this project:<BR>> 1) mapping
<BR>> user requirements/needs for new media toolset (need assessment);
2)<BR>> facilitating training workshop (teaching users how to use
the<BR>> new media<BR>> toolset in a local level); 3) evaluation. Can
all interested <BR>> people go<BR>> to the wiki page and put your name
and affiliation in the<BR>> category you<BR>> wish to participate?
Cheers.<BR>><BR>> /yuwei<BR>> --<BR>> Yuwei Lin | yuwei at ylin
dot org<BR>> <A href="http://www.ylin.org">http://www.ylin.org</A>
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